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Old 14-01-2007, 08:09 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Since, y'know, agnosticism's a knowledge claim, not a belief one.
So you can have Agnostic Christians.
And the term Agnostic by itself specifies nothing about somebody's belief.
You cannot have an agnostic christian,
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for the simple reason that Christ's teachings included a belief in a divine entity (God)
Belief =/= Knowledge.

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which you need faith for but NOT knowledge
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without this you cannot be a christian
Again, knowledge =/= belief.

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You can though agree a man called christ lived 2000 years ago and try to follow some of his teachings but you would not be a christian as his teachings demand faith not knowledge
And agnosticism's a knowledge claim and not a belief claim.

Stop getting the two mixed up.

I needed to go no further than "An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not there is a God." to know he doesn't know enough of what he's saying.

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Therefore an agnostic is saying we cannot know
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and faith alone is not enough
Not necessarily.
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Old 14-01-2007, 08:43 PM   #112 (permalink)
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I said it was a knowledge claim.
I referred to it as a knowledge claim to differentiate it from a belief claim.
Knowledge is the fact of knowing. Agnostics claim is that certain things cannot be known.

I take your point about using it as a differentiator. Perhaps calling it a claim about knowledge would have better expressed the point.
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I said it was a knowledge claim.
I referred to it as a knowledge claim to differentiate it from a belief claim.
Knowledge is the fact of knowing. Agnostics claim is that certain things cannot be known.

I take your point about using it as a differentiator. Perhaps calling it a claim about knowledge would have better expressed the point.
That's what I meant.

"Knowledge claim" in my context is the same as "Claim about knowledge" not "Claim knowledge".

At least there's no confusion now. :wink:
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That's what I meant.
Say what you mean.
Mean what you say.
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That's what I meant.
Say what you mean.
Mean what you say.
Someone else who uses that saying, eh?

I do both.

It's up to others to adapt to my context :wink:
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That's what I meant.

Say what you mean.
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Someone else who uses that saying, eh?
Repeating proverbs eh?
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That's what I meant.

Say what you mean.
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Someone else who uses that saying, eh?
Repeating proverbs eh?
Oh no.

For that would imply I knew it was a proverb.
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Oh no.

For that would imply I knew it was a proverb.
Is it?
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No it isn't.
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Oh no.

For that would imply I knew it was a proverb.
Is it?
I don't know, to be honest.

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No it isn't.
Yes it is.

Either adapt, presume or ask me to elaborate.
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