Akria

Just a little question that I don't think really merits being on the EU subforum. The question is this: would you actually fight against the EU? If, despite the overwhelming 'NO' of the British populace to this most horrible of things, the government voted for full integration into the European Union, would you fight them and the system as best you could, whether through refusal to comply with their policies, demonstrations or full-scale physical fighting?
And if you would fight then how far would you go? To what lengths would you go to defend our British homeland, our island-nation that has a long and illustrious history behind it, a nation that was home to Sir Arthur Wellesley (though he was born in Ireland, he always maintained that he was not Irish ("Being born in a stable does not make one a horse")), Sir Winston Churchill ("There is a forgotten, nay, a forbidden word which means more to me than any other. That word is England."), David Lloyd George ("We shall make them pay to the last farthing and we shall search their pockets for it.") and all the other great British leaders and people?
We are a great nation which has given rise to great people. We have fought tyranny and conquerers multiple times, against overwhelming odds, and we have never lost nor have we ever even considered giving in. Napoleon Bonaparte, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Adolf Hitler. The three greatest threats to the world of their time, all three defeated primarily by the British.
And then there is the matter of our other accomplishments: rule of the greatest empire the world has ever seen, the largest and (for its size) longest lasting empire to ever grace the Earth. There are our internal accomplishments: perhaps the earliest parliamentary democracy and the earliest democracy of any sort for a great power since the time of the Greeks. Our long-standing tenet of free speech which has been upheld since time immemorial. Our great capital, London, once the largest and busiest city in the world, still one of the busiest and certainly the greatest economic city on the Earth; its financial and service sectors now outstripping even New York for the first time in many, many years.
Our technological achievements and our ancient establishments; our superb navy and our wonderful economy (the fifth largest worldwide when we have a population of but 60,000,000 people, less than 1% of the human population) and, of course, our great foods. Can anyone doubt the sheer Britishness of fish and chips, the finest food on the planet, whether or not it was invented by another people?
(Actually, it's officially uncertain as to which people invented fish and chips. There are many who ate one or the other but none who are *known* with absolute certainty to have eaten both.)

So, given all the above: would you fight? How far, and for how long?

Perhaps we can show Mr Blair how far we are willing to go to protect our noble and honourable nation. Perhaps we can remind him that in a democracy THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE MUST BE OBEYED, and that the current will of the people concerning the European Union is "NO!".

Akria

P.S. How come most of my posts end up with at least one allusion to war? Whywhywhy?!

Lazyguy

By refusing to do a word they say, yes.

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22ANDUK

War to a 15 year old sitting in a room on a computer is nice, cosy and hypothetical.

What do you mean by 'fight'? Fight to expose corruption? Expansion? Policies? Stand in elections seeking withdrawal? March? Wave Union Flags? Isn't UKIP doing a lot of this now?

A lot of what you say is colourful prose (want to be a History teacher, Akira?)

But 'fighting' the EU is a moot point really.

We will not be organised as a military force (how many people in this country have seen military service, even in the slightest degree?!), there is hardly any viable weapons and ammunition available to mount or even hold a prolonged campaign. Most of this country is near urban (and therefore political, military and police strongholds) centres.

All this will get worse as people in this country get flabbier and less aware of their history.

You mention our old and ancient enemies such as Bonaparte and Hitler - these were all front facing enemies. We had lines drawn between us in war.

The problem with the EU is the 'salami affect'. But by bit, drip by drip the EU will eventually take over the UK and we as a nation won't notice until its too late, or probably just accept it stoically. (if you put a frog in hot water it jump out, if you put a frog in cold water and warm it up slowly to hot the frog will never know).

Rather than talk about a possible conflict why don't you put that obviously bright and vibrant mind of yours into practically exposing this insidious erosion of UK sovereignty and awakening the public, before such talk of a 'fight' becomes a reality.

Akria

Actually, a profession as a history teacher does appeal to me. I do realise that I would need to be more balanced than I am, but normally I do take a balanced view of things.
You don't believe me, do you? Thought not. XD

The point of the thread was not that I'd define how people would fight: I was asking whether they would and, if so, in what way.
Whether marching waving Union Flags or standing for election or even up to pure force of arms, the last whether by stealing arms or even just mobbing the people responsible.

I'll admit that you do have a point. Unfortunately, patriotism is so often nowadays mistaken for straight-out nationalism or racism that it could perhaps end up with severe repercussions, especially in one's social standing.
Also, you would be correct with the military service aspect. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately depending on your point of view, we are not exactly the most enthusiastically martial of nations. Perhaps during the early times of the Cold War, when I believe that national service was still in force, but... no, not today.

Hmmm... I really can't think of anything else to say...

Akria

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g hall

We can fight a guerilla war though

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Alex McKee

I would certainly partake in civil disobedience, but no, I wouldn't "fight". I would continue to put the political point.

MarkR

In terms of taking up arms?

Against who? It's all very well saying you will fight, but you are facing what may be called asymmetric war. You could fight the police, but they are not the EU. You could fight our armies but they are not the EU.
:?:

SGK

Yet another thread that makes the anti-EU movement look like a bunch of half-baked nutters living on planet Zog.

Because you are an idiot? Or do you have a better explanation?

Akria

Ahem.
I feel that perhaps the term 'idiot' is not quite appropriate.
I am a 'newbie', as my forum title states. I have not been long amongst you mostly fine people, and, of course, I am an individual. I am unique. I hold my own unique viewpoints.
And one of those viewpoints is that unless someone has actually insulted you then you should not insult them.
This is not a particularly unique viewpoint but it is one that, it seems, you do not share. I happily respect most viewpoints and an individual's right to their opinions and rights; I do not respect someone who insults me when I have not insulted them.
In short, I would hope that you will take that insult back. It is not appropriate, especially as I have not done anything to you.

A better explanation?
How about the one that states that I am very much fed up to the teeth with the EU, and I merely wished to place a poll and ask people the question of whether or not they would fight or go against the EU's will, including a description of what point they would go up to.
I asked people a question. I answered the question for myself; I would indeed be willing to fight against the EU, up to and including in a full-scale war of any shape or kind.
I now want other people's opinions.

None of this indicates that I am an idiot.
Now please, either state your answer to my questions and apologise or just go away and we'll speak no more of the matter, acting as civilized British gentlemen should.


@MarkR
I was thinking perhaps a war with the EU sending in an army composed of multiple nationalities in order to maintain order.

Akria

Edit: Correction, I was a newbie. It now says Junior Member.

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22ANDUK

What is the EU? A group of 27 European states? Britain is part of the EU, are we going to fight ourselves? As for maintaining order, the EU is one of the most orderly regions on the planet. Even if we blew up the HQs in Strasbourg and Brussels there'd still be an 'EU'. The EU in many ways is an idea, an idea that cannot be attacked physically through military action. But it can be fought with ideas, all of which are espoused by UKIP.

I know this is all hypothetical, but I really don't understand where this thread is going or what can be achieved from it now.