Would you support a Right Wing Conservative Party?

mkpdavies · 15-12-2006, 06:25 PM

*High fives Unionist*

Whoda thunk it. An authoritarian not wanting to work with the complete opposite!

This-England · 15-12-2006, 06:59 PM

Perhaps UKIP would do better if they took over the Liberal Party (not the Lib Dems) and used them as a veicle for Classical Liberalism.

Unionist · 15-12-2006, 07:21 PM

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Perhaps UKIP would do better if they took over the Liberal Party (not the Lib Dems) and used them as a veicle for Classical Liberalism.

Is that the same Liberal party that believes in a World Authority and a large welfare state?

This-England · 15-12-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by This-England

Perhaps UKIP would do better if they took over the Liberal Party (not the Lib Dems) and used them as a veicle for Classical Liberalism.

Is that the same Liberal party that believes in a World Authority and a large welfare state?

All its members vote on policy.
Since it only has a 1000 members im sure an organised Libertarian take over would work quite well.
Then you could return the party to the pre-Lloyd George Liberalism you all enjoy.
Most European countries have a large Classical Liberal party and a smaller Social Liberal party.
It could be quite possible here too.

Unionist · 15-12-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by This-England

Perhaps UKIP would do better if they took over the Liberal Party (not the Lib Dems) and used them as a veicle for Classical Liberalism.

Is that the same Liberal party that believes in a World Authority and a large welfare state?

All its members vote on policy.
Since it only has a 1000 members im sure an organised Libertarian take over would work quite well.
Then you could return the party to the pre-Lloyd George Liberalism you all enjoy.
Most European countries have a large Classical Liberal party and a smaller Social Liberal party.
It could be quite possible here too.

So your plan is for all those of a classical liberal or libertarian persuasion to leave UKIP so that you and the ED boys can help turn UKIP into some kind of Fuhrerkult, er, sorry, Conservative/Nationalist party?

By the way, I don't see lots of large successful parties in the classical liberal frame around Europe. I see lots of Christian Democrat (i.e., quasi-socialist) parties and quite a few extreme anti-immigrant parties, but very few genuine liberals have a shot at power at present.

This-England · 15-12-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Unionist

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Originally Posted by This-England

Perhaps UKIP would do better if they took over the Liberal Party (not the Lib Dems) and used them as a veicle for Classical Liberalism.

Is that the same Liberal party that believes in a World Authority and a large welfare state?

All its members vote on policy.
Since it only has a 1000 members im sure an organised Libertarian take over would work quite well.
Then you could return the party to the pre-Lloyd George Liberalism you all enjoy.
Most European countries have a large Classical Liberal party and a smaller Social Liberal party.
It could be quite possible here too.

So your plan is for all those of a classical liberal or libertarian persuasion to leave UKIP so that you and the ED boys can help turn UKIP into some kind of Fuhrerkult, er, sorry, Conservative/Nationalist party?

By the way, I don't see lots of large successful parties in the classical liberal frame around Europe. I see lots of Christian Democrat (i.e., quasi-socialist) parties and quite a few extreme anti-immigrant parties, but very few genuine liberals have a shot at power at present.

No I was thinking of a new party.
UKIP will disapear.

Classical Liberal parties with % and possition in general elections

Vlaamse Liberalen en Democraten (VLD) - Belgium
Mouvement Réformateur (MR) - Belgium
26.8% 1st
Venstre - Denmark 29% 1st
Freie Demokratische Partei (FDP) - Germany 9.8% 3rd
People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) - Netherlands 14.6% 4th
Progress Party - Norway 22.1% 2nd

Hartlepool · 15-12-2006, 08:15 PM

So, you admit it,you are a bnp troll ,just like we said before then?

ops:

This-England · 15-12-2006, 08:16 PM

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So, you admit it,you are a bnp troll ,just like we said before then?

ops:

eh?

Hartlepool · 15-12-2006, 08:19 PM

Thought so.

Unionist · 15-12-2006, 08:23 PM

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No I was thinking of a new party.
UKIP will disapear.

Has anyone told Mr Farage? :?

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Originally Posted by This-England

Classical Liberal parties with % and possition in general elections

Vlaamse Liberalen en Democraten (VLD) - Belgium
Mouvement Réformateur (MR) - Belgium
26.8% 1st
Venstre - Denmark 29% 1st
Freie Demokratische Partei (FDP) - Germany 9.8% 3rd
People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) - Netherlands 14.6% 4th
Progress Party - Norway 22.1% 2nd

Small beer really. I assume that you added the two Belgian ones together for that result?

I don't rate the Belgium parties or the FDP very much for that matter, and I think Venstre is no longer distinctively liberal. And how many of them are opposed to the EU? If they accept the European Soviet they don't really count as liberal.

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15-12-2006, 06:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
This-England Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,682	Perhaps UKIP would do better if they took over the Liberal Party (not the Lib Dems) and used them as a veicle for Classical Liberalism.

15-12-2006, 08:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	So, you admit it,you are a bnp troll ,just like we said before then? ops:

15-12-2006, 08:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	Thought so.