The English Democrats?

cassie · 06-12-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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Now that's a fair cop Guv!

Seriously, you need to look deeply into what the leadership of the EDP truly believe. What they say here, is very much at odds with official documentation they put out.

They also treat attacks on the EDP as attacks on England itself. This is an old EU trick, such as saying if you hate the EU you are a Europhobe.

Be careful you are not conned, as their true colours ofter show through. I'd hate to think true patriots, who sure want England to have fair and equal treatment (we all want that), could get conned into joing a cause that would destroy Britain and England with it, for who knows what real purpose.

Even though I hate to admit it, the 'bolded' text is a fair point. There can be a difference between party and nation but, by the same token, it is a mistake to lump all members of a party together, as if they they are all of one mind! Without wishing to be snide, you in UKIP must be equally aware of this factor.

Yes, there are those who see the future of England as different to the official policy. Even so, it remains the official policy.

Because there are differing opinions or because opinions change, so does policy. There are many in the Conservative Party who would change its stance. However, they remain loyal in the hope of improving things. Are there even more disillusioned members of the Labour Party? A debateable point now so many have had enough and left. Such is the ebb and flow of politics.

Whatever anyone thinks, there is one EDP constant: opposition to the EU. Given that this appears to be so widespread an attitude amongst voters, it is puzzling - not to say disturbing - that this is not reflected more in Westminster elections.

Lance Dragon · 14-12-2006, 01:37 PM

All this "The English Democrats are a tool of the EU" is farcical.

The English Democrats have a policy on offering a referendum on England's EU membership and recommend leaving the EU and joining EFTA.

The only country with any clout in the EU, from Britain is England. UKIP and the BNP just seek to maintain the Scottish stranglehold on England.

I don't see either UKIP or the BNP sounding off about how England is so badly treated in all things from healthcare to democracy when compared to the rest of the "United" Kingdom.

Maybe it is because Nigel Farage is an Anglo-Scot (Wikipedia) and Nick Griffin has made sure he benefits from England's subsidies to Wales by living in Wales.

Neither UKIP nor the BNP give a stuff for England, and neither has the balls to point out the failings of devolution which leave England in such a sorry state.

ENGLISH JEW · 14-12-2006, 01:53 PM

LD, you'll never ever convice some on this forum of our point of view, it just doesn't sink in with them. they seem to think that ONLY BRITAIN and UNITED can stop full EU entry, they seem to forget that if a vote was to happen today then Scotland, Wales and NI would vote YES and with the big three being Pro EU then you could bet your bottom POUND that England would be dragged into FULL EU entry.

The only way to stop EU entry is for England to get it's own parliament, only England UNITED and strong can break these EU chains but these people on this forum just don't see it. I've tried to understand why they don't but I'm not an educated man so perhaps it's beyond me, Matt does reckon that all English Nationalist are THICK.

mkpdavies · 14-12-2006, 03:13 PM

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Matt does reckon that all English Nationalist are THICK.

No, Just English Democrats. Subversive or thick, take your pick.

cassie · 31-12-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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Matt does reckon that all English Nationalist are THICK.

No, Just English Democrats. Subversive or thick, take your pick.

When you look at sites like this:

http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/index.html

surely any fool can set things in perspective and comprehend who is the real enemy.

It seems the height of folly for you to be attacking the EDP in the way you do!
You may have doubts about the EDP (not admitted), but surely you have no doubts about the actual 'subversives' in the EU. When we disagree so vehemently on scant grounds, no wonder they can laugh, and proceed with their malign schemes to enslave all of us!

Happy New Year!

andypandy · 31-12-2006, 07:03 PM

I also understand that the BNP's Nick Griffin. is also partly of Welsh ancestry, as the name Griffin has associations with the Welsh marshe.

The former National Front leaders, Tyndall and Webster, had either Anglo-Irish or Anglo-Scots ancestry, which largely explains why they were equally incapable of promoting English interests in the 1970's, at a time of rising Scots and Welsh nationalism, and when immigration was almost exclusively an issue effecting England.

Who knows what the consequences of a specifically English National Front could have had with the additional policy of withdrawal from the UK to boot?

UKIP MAN · 31-12-2006, 09:22 PM

THIS SYMBOL Dont look like the EDs want out of the european union!!!!

must add that one to my list

You Tube

http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/eurounion.php

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The EDP will seek referendum authorisation to decide this country’s future relationship with the E.U. That referendum should include the option of leaving the EU and joining the European Free Trade Association, EFTA, whose countries have a free trade agreement with the EU.

Just get us out NOW....

arden forester · 31-12-2006, 09:36 PM

My take on the EDP's EU policy is that there would be a referendum, but it does not appear to be a forceful NO, as joining EFTA is an "option". If the people voted yes, then it seems the EDP might go along with this.

They emphasise "co-operation and trade" and also seem to be willing to work with other like-minded states. This tinge of ambivalence does not seem to sit with the desires of quite a few EDP activists, who are like Ukippers on the EU. :?

cassie · 01-01-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

My take on the EDP's EU policy is that there would be a referendum, but it does not appear to be a forceful NO, as joining EFTA is an "option". If the people voted yes, then it seems the EDP might go along with this.

Is not the point of a referendum to establish the collective will of the voters and, if you are a government with integrity, to act as much as possible in conformity with that will if clearly expressed?

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They emphasise "co-operation and trade" and also seem to be willing to work with other like-minded states. This tinge of ambivalence does not seem to sit with the desires of quite a few EDP activists, who are like Ukippers on the EU. :?

There are some who would suggest that this is just being picky for its own sake! There are some who would think it sensible to have an alternative to actually being in the EU, and not at all ambivalent except to those who wish to find the smallest excuse to criticise.

The EDP's long established policy is to hold a referendum on the question of continued membership of the EU (which is far more than either Major or Blair have done) and to recommend leaving. There is no ambivalence about this policy which, unlike the matter of independence, is supported by the vast majority of EDP members! It is mean spirited of you to attempt to call that policy into question on the most tenuous of grounds.

Britannist · 01-01-2007, 01:45 AM

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The EDP's long established policy is to hold a referendum on the question of continued membership of the EU (which is far more than either Major or Blair have done) and to recommend leaving.

Cassie - could you kindly direct me to where it is stated that the English Democrats (ED) will/would recommend that electors vote to leave the EU? Have you got a link for this please? Is it written on the ED website and if so where on that website?

I can't find any such pledge on the ED website :shock: .

View Poll Results: What are the English Democrats?
Thick?	10	27.03%
Subversives for the EU?	7	18.92%
Right want England to be a separate puppet, rather than a joint puppet?	6	16.22%
Other, please specify.	14	37.84%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

14-12-2006, 01:37 PM	#82 (permalink)
Lance Dragon Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5	All this "The English Democrats are a tool of the EU" is farcical. The English Democrats have a policy on offering a referendum on England's EU membership and recommend leaving the EU and joining EFTA. The only country with any clout in the EU, from Britain is England. UKIP and the BNP just seek to maintain the Scottish stranglehold on England. I don't see either UKIP or the BNP sounding off about how England is so badly treated in all things from healthcare to democracy when compared to the rest of the "United" Kingdom. Maybe it is because Nigel Farage is an Anglo-Scot (Wikipedia) and Nick Griffin has made sure he benefits from England's subsidies to Wales by living in Wales. Neither UKIP nor the BNP give a stuff for England, and neither has the balls to point out the failings of devolution which leave England in such a sorry state. __________________ Fairness for England

14-12-2006, 01:53 PM	#83 (permalink)
ENGLISH JEW Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England's Jewel, Chester Posts: 47	LD, you'll never ever convice some on this forum of our point of view, it just doesn't sink in with them. they seem to think that ONLY BRITAIN and UNITED can stop full EU entry, they seem to forget that if a vote was to happen today then Scotland, Wales and NI would vote YES and with the big three being Pro EU then you could bet your bottom POUND that England would be dragged into FULL EU entry. The only way to stop EU entry is for England to get it's own parliament, only England UNITED and strong can break these EU chains but these people on this forum just don't see it. I've tried to understand why they don't but I'm not an educated man so perhaps it's beyond me, Matt does reckon that all English Nationalist are THICK. __________________ Shalom 2nd Gerneration English & Proud This is more than just Politics Its PERSONAL www.justiceforengland.com

31-12-2006, 09:36 PM	#88 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,651 Party: None	My take on the EDP's EU policy is that there would be a referendum, but it does not appear to be a forceful NO, as joining EFTA is an "option". If the people voted yes, then it seems the EDP might go along with this. They emphasise "co-operation and trade" and also seem to be willing to work with other like-minded states. This tinge of ambivalence does not seem to sit with the desires of quite a few EDP activists, who are like Ukippers on the EU. :? __________________ www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

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31-12-2006, 07:03 PM	#86 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	I also understand that the BNP's Nick Griffin. is also partly of Welsh ancestry, as the name Griffin has associations with the Welsh marshe. The former National Front leaders, Tyndall and Webster, had either Anglo-Irish or Anglo-Scots ancestry, which largely explains why they were equally incapable of promoting English interests in the 1970's, at a time of rising Scots and Welsh nationalism, and when immigration was almost exclusively an issue effecting England. Who knows what the consequences of a specifically English National Front could have had with the additional policy of withdrawal from the UK to boot?