The English Democrats?

Populist Lee · 01-12-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

Probably another ED troll eh?

Interesting presumption.

cassie · 01-12-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

No PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEASE do explain it and then, when I ask questions about the bit that doesn't add up, instead of just ignoring the questions and attacking me/UKIP/other, actually answer the question.

I won't hold my breath.

I'll try, but which bit doesn't add up - if we can start with that?

mkpdavies · 01-12-2006, 06:19 PM

I'll give you a couple of key points for me.

1) The break up will be smooth, IE there will be no arguing over resources, money, oil, weapons, borders, etc. Where will the net benefit for any of the countries be in this and what is to stop the EU continuing it's rape of all the countries while our attention is on this issue. Fighting over the dwindling amount of power our people have seems like total folly to me. Explain why the English democrats are more concerned with the 20% and falling part and not the 80% part.

2) The new English parliament, being full of the same traitors who took us and kept us in the EU, will just further take us even deeper, beyond the point of no return. Wales and Scotland also get thrown in so deep, that in the end we are using Euros, have no borders because we are EU and are 100% all fully controlled by Brussels anyway. That'll solve 1), but we will be the EUs *****.

I could understand the EDP focus, if Britain was running itself in full and didn't have the EU trying to destroy it. As things stand I don't understand it at all.

cassie · 01-12-2006, 07:09 PM

1) If you visit the EDP site, its official policy is summed up as "Our objective is the creation of an English Parliament within the United Kingdom."
(This is the window I found amongst all the mish mash: http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/general.php )

Therefore, I am not sure what 'break up' you mean in 1) This policy would not seem to require dismantling the UK. On the other hand, to the extent that it is based on the status quo, it does not preclude it.

Hazarding an opinion, the more of the EDP's members happy to retain the UK (or perhaps a re-negotiated one), the less likely it is to change that policy into one of demanding independence.

For the EDP's aim to be realised, the composition of the Commons must be radically changed, and most of its unrepresentative Members removed. Therefore, the UK is unlikely to be significantly more susceptible to the 'rape' you allude to than now. The most urgent consideration must be security, which transcends even the "Fighting over the dwindling amount of power our people have . . " I don't understand the reference to 20% - 80%, save to say, the EDP would be primarily concerned with the 83% of UK citizens living in England, but not exclusively - that would be irresponsible!

2) This is referred to above ie "For the EDP's aim to be realised, the composition of the Commons must be radically changed, etc ". Concomitant with that will be a Commons replete with anti-EU Members. Consequently, the EDP's other principal policy of actually conducting a referendum on the question of continued EU membership (which includes the option of leaving) could be effected. ( http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/eurounion.php )

Does this take things further for you?

Internationalist · 01-12-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

1) If you visit the EDP site, its official policy is summed up as "Our objective is the creation of an English Parliament within the United Kingdom."
(This is the window I found amongst all the mish mash: http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/general.php )

Therefore, I am not sure what 'break up' you mean in 1) This policy would not seem to require dismantling the UK. On the other hand, to the extent that it is based on the status quo, it does not preclude it.

I think the phrase "does not preclude it" is an understatement. EDP commenters on this forum (including the esteemed "English Democrat") regularly talk about English independence. They go so far as to suggest that anti-EU activists should support them because an independent England would mean that the UK no longer existed and hence we would not be in the EU. (A false argument, incidentally.)

ryansoton · 01-12-2006, 09:53 PM

The ED really should realise that their single issue party is supporting an opinion of the minority.
UKIP are accusedof being single issue but at least that single issue is supported by the majority.

Englishman · 02-12-2006, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

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Originally Posted by Englishman

Britain is no more,

Technically, it never existed.
If you mean Great Britain, then you are denying a fact of geography.

Unless there has been an Earthquake, which I haven't felt.

There has been an earthquake...its called devolution.

Internationalist · 02-12-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Englishman

There has been an earthquake...its called devolution.

No, it is a minor irritation that has been hyped beyond belief.

I was against devolution all along but in the end we are only talking about a small minority of the UK's population. Why anyone should want to inflict this obscenity on the whole population is beyond me.

Englishman · 02-12-2006, 12:29 AM

The Poll has 3 negative answers for the EDP and 1 which could go either way.
Is this how you would run the country if got in power? similar to New Labours dictatorship?

It seems you are quite concerned of the EDP, so much so that you feel the need to create a Poll that is unfairly proccessed against them.

When some one is frightned they lash out in a similar way.

Englishman · 02-12-2006, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

UKIP as always seems to be the case with the English Subversive party.

Your answer for others above, fare enough. Wrong in my opinion, very wrong, but it's your opinion nether the less.

So when the new English parliment is full with English Democrats and Scotland and Wales have just excepred England getting everything its own way. How will the English Democrats then approach immigration and people that have already made their homes here?

With this new Nationalist super party bring back hanging?

And what kind of economic policy will this natioanlist party take? Protectionist or free markets? Low tax or high tax and lots of welfare?

Tell us for vision of how the English Democrats will run England and what will happen to Scotland and Wales when all this happens.

Come and see for yourself, you know you want to...

http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/

View Poll Results: What are the English Democrats?
Thick?	10	27.03%
Subversives for the EU?	7	18.92%
Right want England to be a separate puppet, rather than a joint puppet?	6	16.22%
Other, please specify.	14	37.84%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

01-12-2006, 06:19 PM	#43 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,112 Party: Libertarian Party	I'll give you a couple of key points for me. 1) The break up will be smooth, IE there will be no arguing over resources, money, oil, weapons, borders, etc. Where will the net benefit for any of the countries be in this and what is to stop the EU continuing it's rape of all the countries while our attention is on this issue. Fighting over the dwindling amount of power our people have seems like total folly to me. Explain why the English democrats are more concerned with the 20% and falling part and not the 80% part. 2) The new English parliament, being full of the same traitors who took us and kept us in the EU, will just further take us even deeper, beyond the point of no return. Wales and Scotland also get thrown in so deep, that in the end we are using Euros, have no borders because we are EU and are 100% all fully controlled by Brussels anyway. That'll solve 1), but we will be the EUs *****. I could understand the EDP focus, if Britain was running itself in full and didn't have the EU trying to destroy it. As things stand I don't understand it at all. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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01-12-2006, 07:09 PM	#44 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,919	1) If you visit the EDP site, its official policy is summed up as "Our objective is the creation of an English Parliament within the United Kingdom." (This is the window I found amongst all the mish mash: http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/general.php ) Therefore, I am not sure what 'break up' you mean in 1) This policy would not seem to require dismantling the UK. On the other hand, to the extent that it is based on the status quo, it does not preclude it. Hazarding an opinion, the more of the EDP's members happy to retain the UK (or perhaps a re-negotiated one), the less likely it is to change that policy into one of demanding independence. For the EDP's aim to be realised, the composition of the Commons must be radically changed, and most of its unrepresentative Members removed. Therefore, the UK is unlikely to be significantly more susceptible to the 'rape' you allude to than now. The most urgent consideration must be security, which transcends even the "Fighting over the dwindling amount of power our people have . . " I don't understand the reference to 20% - 80%, save to say, the EDP would be primarily concerned with the 83% of UK citizens living in England, but not exclusively - that would be irresponsible! 2) This is referred to above ie "For the EDP's aim to be realised, the composition of the Commons must be radically changed, etc ". Concomitant with that will be a Commons replete with anti-EU Members. Consequently, the EDP's other principal policy of actually conducting a referendum on the question of continued EU membership (which includes the option of leaving) could be effected. ( http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/eurounion.php ) Does this take things further for you?

01-12-2006, 09:53 PM	#46 (permalink)
ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 782 Party: Other	The ED really should realise that their single issue party is supporting an opinion of the minority. UKIP are accusedof being single issue but at least that single issue is supported by the majority.

02-12-2006, 12:29 AM	#49 (permalink)
Englishman Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 221	The Poll has 3 negative answers for the EDP and 1 which could go either way. Is this how you would run the country if got in power? similar to New Labours dictatorship? It seems you are quite concerned of the EDP, so much so that you feel the need to create a Poll that is unfairly proccessed against them. When some one is frightned they lash out in a similar way.