The right to remain silent.

mkpdavies · 25-09-2006, 05:11 PM

Now JC has scared me into thinking I am mad, please can you all vote on whether you think the right to remain silent (or the 5th amendment in the states), was a good law, or deserveved to be scrapped.

I accept this doesn't represent the people as a whole, but I am just interested to see if I am deluding myself.

John Carter · 25-09-2006, 05:55 PM

Matt... ...you're not mad because of your opinion of the Fifth Amendment. You're mad because you think it's been changed/scrapped. It hasn't.

Nothing has changed. Nothing has been scrapped. Period.

Therefore, this poll is invalid.

Hartlepool · 25-09-2006, 06:03 PM

I just voted on the wrong one,meant to hit the middle option,sorry.

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Hartlepool · 25-09-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Carter

Matt... ...you're not mad because of your opinion of the Fifth Amendment. You're mad because you think it's been changed/scrapped. It hasn't.

Nothing has changed. Nothing has been scrapped. Period.

Therefore, this poll is invalid.

I would think that the bit about it being "scrapped" could be overlooked in this case as it is secondary to saying it was either,A Terrible Law,A Vital Law or Dont care/ know about it.

It can still be voted on.

MarkR · 25-09-2006, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Carter

Matt... ...you're not mad because of your opinion of the Fifth Amendment. You're mad because you think it's been changed/scrapped. It hasn't.

Nothing has changed. Nothing has been scrapped. Period.

Therefore, this poll is invalid.

So what did change then?
Summat did, previously you had the right to etc but now 'something' is implied by your silence.

mkpdavies · 25-09-2006, 07:03 PM

In the UK, you lost the right to remain silent . Though John reckons that's only the case for incriminating yourself, not anyone else.

Which I find utterly crazy, but then, I find a lot of things crazy now.

John Carter · 25-09-2006, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkR

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Carter

Matt... ...you're not mad because of your opinion of the Fifth Amendment. You're mad because you think it's been changed/scrapped. It hasn't.

Nothing has changed. Nothing has been scrapped. Period.

Therefore, this poll is invalid.

So what did change then?

Nothing. In the original argument, we were talking about the US - which still has the same Fifth Amendment today as it did in the late 18th century.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

In the UK, you lost the right to remain silent . Though John reckons that's only the case for incriminating yourself, not anyone else.

I haven't discussed UK law today Matt. The discussion we were having was about US law in a thread about the US in the "International Politics" section. And there's no "reckon" about it - go and read the Fifth Amendment.

So all this UK stuff is either you straw-manning or you've truly lost sight of the fact that the US and UK are two separate countries (not hard to do, I imagine, if you've been taking any notice of the anti-Bush crowd).

In the UK you have the right to do exactly as Princess Tony and his Witch wish. Period.

mkpdavies · 25-09-2006, 09:05 PM

I was talking in general rather than just anyone country here really, hence I split this off as a seperate subject.

The UK and US are similar, but there are subtle differences where the US screwed it up in translation I guess.

Blairs changing it for the worse though, but I see that as a wider global agenda coming into play.

I still think it sucks that the land of the free, can force people to say stuff under threat of imprisonment.

Bryan Parry · 26-09-2006, 07:17 AM

What? The right to remain silent has been scrapped-- huh1!?!? Someone link me up, please.

B.A.Ware · 26-09-2006, 08:36 AM

I don't get this are we saying you have the right to take the 5th (say nothing)but as with the journalists you would be throw into jail for remaining silent, if this is the case the fifth is pretty worthless and has all but been removed and exists in name only.

View Poll Results: The right to remain silent.
Terrible law, glad it got scrapped.	6	15.38%
Vital law, should never have been scrapped.	31	79.49%
I so don't care/know	2	5.13%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

25-09-2006, 05:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	The right to remain silent. Now JC has scared me into thinking I am mad, please can you all vote on whether you think the right to remain silent (or the 5th amendment in the states), was a good law, or deserveved to be scrapped. I accept this doesn't represent the people as a whole, but I am just interested to see if I am deluding myself.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I was talking in general rather than just anyone country here really, hence I split this off as a seperate subject. The UK and US are similar, but there are subtle differences where the US screwed it up in translation I guess. Blairs changing it for the worse though, but I see that as a wider global agenda coming into play. I still think it sucks that the land of the free, can force people to say stuff under threat of imprisonment. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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25-09-2006, 05:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	Matt... ...you're not mad because of your opinion of the Fifth Amendment. You're mad because you think it's been changed/scrapped. It hasn't. Nothing has changed. Nothing has been scrapped. Period. Therefore, this poll is invalid.

25-09-2006, 06:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	I just voted on the wrong one,meant to hit the middle option,sorry. ops:

26-09-2006, 07:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bryan Parry Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, England Posts: 394	What? The right to remain silent has been scrapped-- huh1!?!? Someone link me up, please.

26-09-2006, 08:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,101 Party: UKIP	I don't get this are we saying you have the right to take the 5th (say nothing)but as with the journalists you would be throw into jail for remaining silent, if this is the case the fifth is pretty worthless and has all but been removed and exists in name only.