Should Ukip Split

B.A.Ware · 25-05-2006, 06:13 PM

For a long time now there has been a debate about whether Ukip should be an EU protest party or a fully blown political party.

I would suggest that to solve this once and for all we have a ballot on the issue and the losing faction of the ballot either accept the majority’s decision or leave the party.

I know this would be divisive but I believe it is the only way the party can focus and move forward, for to long the party has been trying to appease both camps.

My personal view is we have to be a party and we have to have a set of core values that the electorate can associate with us.

andypandy · 26-05-2006, 06:39 PM

I voted no because I am a bit unclear as to why this debate is even been discussed before a new leader is chosen. Erm, has any straw poll of the membership been taken to determine what level, if any, of the party believe there should be such a move? This is rather worrying, and quite frankly will simply be taken and exploited by the medias as "UKIP collapses into warring factions as party breaks in two" type of headline.

This issue HAS to be killed, because if anyone thinks that this is UKIP's only future, what on earth where they doing in the party in the first place?

The public will NOT take kindly to this and any UKIP rump would be severly punished by the electorate.

At least, that is my thinking on this.

B.A.Ware · 26-05-2006, 06:55 PM

As you can see by this straw poll there is a great divide, i don't want the party to split but i do want it to settle this issue once and for all.
This is not a real issue i just wanted to get a feel if it did come to this after the leadership election.

Hopefully it will not come to this if we get a reforming leader, if we don't then i think it will happen regardless.

adurni · 27-05-2006, 08:27 PM

The vote is running 50/50 which is hardly surprising.

Apart from EU-pullout, the 'wings' of UKIP have nothing at all in common with one another.

Christina · 27-05-2006, 08:42 PM

It makes sense to be an EU protest party trying to change the Tories if the Tories are in Government. With a Tory leadership which has the aim of reform in the EU, UKIP could bang on and on about what needs to change, and to bang on if reforms fail. That could work, if reforms fail.

Your present strategy is a personal vendetta by former Tories in UKIP, and all that does is let a pro-EU Labour Party stay in. There is no chance at all of change with them.

So, the only one which makes sense, is to be a full-blown party that seeks to get into Government within 20 years, or at least to be a sizeable opposition.

View Poll Results: Should Ukip split into two groups
YES	23	46.00%
NO	27	54.00%
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25-05-2006, 06:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,159 Party: UKIP	Should Ukip Split For a long time now there has been a debate about whether Ukip should be an EU protest party or a fully blown political party. I would suggest that to solve this once and for all we have a ballot on the issue and the losing faction of the ballot either accept the majority’s decision or leave the party. I know this would be divisive but I believe it is the only way the party can focus and move forward, for to long the party has been trying to appease both camps. My personal view is we have to be a party and we have to have a set of core values that the electorate can associate with us.

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26-05-2006, 06:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	I voted no because I am a bit unclear as to why this debate is even been discussed before a new leader is chosen. Erm, has any straw poll of the membership been taken to determine what level, if any, of the party believe there should be such a move? This is rather worrying, and quite frankly will simply be taken and exploited by the medias as "UKIP collapses into warring factions as party breaks in two" type of headline. This issue HAS to be killed, because if anyone thinks that this is UKIP's only future, what on earth where they doing in the party in the first place? The public will NOT take kindly to this and any UKIP rump would be severly punished by the electorate. At least, that is my thinking on this.

26-05-2006, 06:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,159 Party: UKIP	As you can see by this straw poll there is a great divide, i don't want the party to split but i do want it to settle this issue once and for all. This is not a real issue i just wanted to get a feel if it did come to this after the leadership election. Hopefully it will not come to this if we get a reforming leader, if we don't then i think it will happen regardless.

27-05-2006, 08:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
adurni Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1	The vote is running 50/50 which is hardly surprising. Apart from EU-pullout, the 'wings' of UKIP have nothing at all in common with one another.

27-05-2006, 08:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	It makes sense to be an EU protest party trying to change the Tories if the Tories are in Government. With a Tory leadership which has the aim of reform in the EU, UKIP could bang on and on about what needs to change, and to bang on if reforms fail. That could work, if reforms fail. Your present strategy is a personal vendetta by former Tories in UKIP, and all that does is let a pro-EU Labour Party stay in. There is no chance at all of change with them. So, the only one which makes sense, is to be a full-blown party that seeks to get into Government within 20 years, or at least to be a sizeable opposition.