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I fully agree Biscuit,he should resign or if he doesen't he should be swiftly fired.

Independent UKIP

I did start drafting a response the other night Anthony but I needed to go to sleep instead! Ultimately it is for you & your colleagues on the NEC to decide the consequences. Trying to force him out would be a total disaster in my opinion. Instead of my mock headline above a likely headline could be: "UKIP racists finally come out of the closet: Party sacks leader for employing European/Polish workers." That would be devestating for the party. Anyone who thinks the Independent newspaper will appreciate UKIP for sacking Knapman over this supposed hypocrisy is utterly delusional. I don't read every little post here in order to work out who at this forum supports UKIP and who oppose it but my perception was that opponents of UKIP were making the running on this; particuarly those on the 'right' - bnp or not. (I do appreciate genuine UKIP supporters like mkpdavies & others have a perfectly legitimate & different view to mine on this before anyone suggests otherwise!)

I work with citizens of Poland, like many millions in the UK I'm sure who work/ed with or know people who work/ed with or employ/ed citizens of Poland. If UKIP decide that it is unacceptable for its leader to work with or employ citizens of Poland it will be extremely offensive to me and I suspect a large majority of UKIP/tory/libdem/labour voters who know or are friends with Poles or those who may well be of Polish origin - having been integral to saving Britain in 1940 from Nazi Germany. I trust that UKIP has some members who are of Polish origin and hope that they will not quit in disgust if Knapman is forced out. BNP voters won't mind though, if that is to be the new target voter for the UKIP NEC.

BNP will never gain power in the UK, nor will BNP lite. If UKIP becomes BNP lite on the back of this load of over hyped nonsense then it might as well merge with BNP which is what some of the knockers in the earlier postings on Knapman ultimately desire. UKIP and most UKIP supporters want (obviously imprecisely) what many millions of voters want but at this moment most voters don't vote UKIP - except in LOCAL - (usually much higher support than at general election level though not currently winning or recognised here) or European elections. This is a key job for the new leader elected in the scheduled vote in a couple of months.

I am very happy with Knapmans response on the UKIP website.

I totally agree with the quotes above & overall with his full statement. Even if I did not agree with his full statement I would maintain that it would be a disaster to force Knapman out of office a couple of irrelevant months earlier than will otherwise be the case.


Amongst the overwhelming number of current, future and past UKIP voters - absolutely nothing. I don't see any follow up of this story for the Tuesday press and the UKIP hating Indpendent reported it because they hate UKiP more than they hate the Sunday Times. Unless HIGNFY have broken into Knapmans house and filmed his employees they have nothing. Is it a laugh for people to film some Eastern Europeans in an attic and take the **** out of them on a TV show? Despite suggestions I will be amazed if Knapman is mentioned on HIGNFY. And who outside UKIP has ever heard of Roger Knapman. Usually that might be a bad thing but it is hard for the media to humiliate somebody people have never heard of.

Christina

When I married, it meant I had Danish relatives. I like Denmark and Danes in particular. If RK had employed Danes brought in to do work that British workers could do at half the price, my objections would remain.

Both you and RK are playing the race card, accusing those who think it was wrong of racism in a ridiculous way. Poles are the same race as us for goodness sake!

This is a matter of a leader of a party who objects to the EU and wants out, taking full advantage of the EU.

If you like Poles so much, you should us in the Conservative Party. I believe it is right for us to contribute to help former Communist countries, UKIP do not!

mkpdavies

She's right you know.

UKIP doesn't believe in taking British peoples wealth, for redistribution in other semi-poor countries, when Britain has it's own problems and their are other more desperately poverty stricken countries, that require more priority attention.

Happy to see trade promoted, for the mutual benefit of all countries, but socialist/communist redistrbution of wealth, using state power to take from the British taxpayer, to distribute to a country that has a new booming economy thanks to throwing out Commie ideals.

Blue Labour obviously share the same affinity with Communism as Nu Labour, if they want to target ex-communist countries for special treatment, using the British tax payers money. I hope they will make that clear in their next manifesto, so people realise this. I guess you could call it conserving the Communist spirt.

At least Knapman wasn't advocating that, rather he offer them his own private little trade deals, even if it meant him putting up more economic migrants and helping undercuting British tradesman as part of his sons "service". While that would seem like rank hypocrisy to a lot of people, I guess he can argue it's case as "free trade", even if I don't see working man being too willing to accept it, from a party they believed stood for the Brits who elected them first.

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I'm in favor of it because it is the direct opposite of what Matt wrote in which I have made bold. It is to destroy communism that I am in favour of it. Without help, they could revert.

I would never go overseas to find workers, to do work which British workers can do. British meaning anyone who lives here and quals for a passport, not just white people.

mkpdavies

You don't destroy communism by applying it's values and principles. By all means open up markets, encourage British business to work in/with emerging economies, but giving out handouts is not the way.

I personaly didn't look to import cheap polish Labour to do my extention and I'm glad I didn't, because the guys did an awsome job very quickly.

I buy British food in the shops for a number of reasons, if I can work it out from the label that is (that's why I like Morrisons)

I am not a rich man like Roger Knapman though, so I feel like he has let Britain down, when I hear what he said about British workers and the fact he promotes his sons wretched importa slave business.

Perhaps I am over moralising again, like I do with Prescott being a fat lying cheat, who slams others, then does it himself where sleaze is concerned. Or Mark Oaten puts lies out of him being a happily married man, while rolling around in fecal matter with rent boys.

I do expect a lot from politicians and especially ones who lead a party I am in. So sue me. I'm sick of politicians letting me and my country down and I swear I am at the brink of giving up on them all.

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Matt

If we applied your reasoning to all International assistance, then no country would receive any aid, because it is 'communist' to do so.

No. There is much more to communism than that and a helping hand to oppressed countries can help them grow strong.

I believe that if Knapman stays it will harm your party far more than if he went. I didn't know Petrina was a former barrister, she must be able to think quickly on her feet, which is good for a party leader. Her website looks interesting, the one for her leadership campaign.

mkpdavies

That's about right to a degree. I believe in helping others to help themselves, by knocking out unfair trade, dumping etc and encouraging people to get themselves back on their feat. If indiviudals want to donate their money to charaties or causes that give money over for nothing, then that's their call, not a governments.

HOWEVER, I do understand that some countries are so poor, that they need help just getting people fed and well enough to be in that position. Poland is not one of those countries.

Petrina is the only person to have started campaigning so far and has made a good start. I also give her Kudos for listening to the grass roots here and actually engaging in a civialised manner. She could well build up some solid support if she keeps this up.

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Ideally, yes Matt, I agree. I think it is something to work towards. Former communist countries will have some assistance for a period of time, not forever.

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when I saw mr knapman in action in a public meeting he was not as I expected, rather better at getting his message out than his critics wouId have you believe. He appears a good man based I know just on the occasion of one meeting. Nigel fararge is superb in a dispatch box situation, cannot help thinking this guy has real potential if he reinvented himself and left the EU jolly club crew behind.

that said such is the need, our nation has to be saved from the crazy EU vortex, that someone truly exceptional is required to take the reins - does genius exist any more in politics ? he who is of genius step forward now !

do we need a new leader right now -or do we await the machinery of the party to take its course ?
the question arises, can we wait and waste any more time ? yet wouId a mutiny RKS style work ? will our present leader resign anyway ?

MEP control of our party is because they are one of the few areas providing a live feed of cash in, even if it is not directly used for ukip it provdes a means to do things, does it not ? that they will say in their defence.

what a tangled web we weave.

one thing most really dislike is long political goodbyes like the tony blair / gordon brown circus -I am so tired of it.