Should UKIP stand against Eurosceptics?

Anthony Butcher · 28-04-2006, 03:20 PM

Given the vocal support for the six Conservative MEPs who supported the 'Better Off Out' Campaign, should UKIP stand against these people in the next General Election?

mkpdavies · 28-04-2006, 03:44 PM

Only sitting MP's that have fully advocated withdrawal. None of your pretend sceptics, such as Bill Cash, John Redwood etc.

Plus, that's while UKIP in it's current position of not being able to fight all campaigns, never mind winning compaigns now.

Tashry · 28-04-2006, 03:59 PM

I agree, if there is a true eurosceptic candidate, (Tory or Independent or Other) in the ward/constituency, then UKIP shouldnt stand in that ward.

mark starr · 29-04-2006, 07:50 AM

A eurosceptic candidate in any of the 3 main parties is an impotent individual and will always be in an ineffectual minority.
It is far better for UKIP to fight every seat and if it means a eurosceptic candidate is defeated tough luck.

mkpdavies · 29-04-2006, 07:57 AM

Assuming we have the cabability to fight every seat.

If not, then surely some sense has to be used as to where our attention should be focused.

Biscuitman · 29-04-2006, 08:18 AM

Any serving MP who publicly states they want EU - wothdrawal should go to the bottom of our list of priorities.

mkpdavies · 29-04-2006, 08:25 AM

Thank Buddah for that. I thought I was the only one for a minute.

Hartlepool · 29-04-2006, 08:48 AM

If they openly declare their Euroscepticism we should not stand against them.

Maybe we can both get some media by posing for photos congratulating them for "coming out" as being 100%Eurosceptics. :wink:

mkpdavies · 29-04-2006, 09:13 AM

It's not just about being a "eurosceptic". It's about advocating full withdrawal. That is the major difference between the MP's that have joined the campaign. Anyone can say they are a eurosceptic, but backing that up with a demand for withdrawal, against the party whip and as a sitting MP, makes all the difference to me.

It also only counts for a handful of MP's at the moment. I doubt that number will grow much, but it helps UKIP at a time when we don't have the resource to fight everywhere, make sure we are hitting more dangerous targets first.

Hartlepool · 29-04-2006, 02:33 PM

I know,I was just trying to motivate someone in UKIP HO to maybe get in touch with these people and take a few photos and note their courage. :wink: Denny may mobilise something,he's usually on the ball. :roll:

By the way,Herr Davies,you a German now with the new title of Uber Member? 8)

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28-04-2006, 03:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,729 Party: None	Should UKIP stand against Eurosceptics? Given the vocal support for the six Conservative MEPs who supported the 'Better Off Out' Campaign, should UKIP stand against these people in the next General Election?

28-04-2006, 03:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Only sitting MP's that have fully advocated withdrawal. None of your pretend sceptics, such as Bill Cash, John Redwood etc. Plus, that's while UKIP in it's current position of not being able to fight all campaigns, never mind winning compaigns now. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-04-2006, 07:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Assuming we have the cabability to fight every seat. If not, then surely some sense has to be used as to where our attention should be focused. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-04-2006, 08:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	Any serving MP who publicly states they want EU - wothdrawal should go to the bottom of our list of priorities. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

28-04-2006, 03:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tashry Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 380	I agree, if there is a true eurosceptic candidate, (Tory or Independent or Other) in the ward/constituency, then UKIP shouldnt stand in that ward.

29-04-2006, 07:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
mark starr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 641	A eurosceptic candidate in any of the 3 main parties is an impotent individual and will always be in an ineffectual minority. It is far better for UKIP to fight every seat and if it means a eurosceptic candidate is defeated tough luck.

29-04-2006, 08:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Thank Buddah for that. I thought I was the only one for a minute. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-04-2006, 08:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	If they openly declare their Euroscepticism we should not stand against them. Maybe we can both get some media by posing for photos congratulating them for "coming out" as being 100%Eurosceptics. :wink:

29-04-2006, 09:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	It's not just about being a "eurosceptic". It's about advocating full withdrawal. That is the major difference between the MP's that have joined the campaign. Anyone can say they are a eurosceptic, but backing that up with a demand for withdrawal, against the party whip and as a sitting MP, makes all the difference to me. It also only counts for a handful of MP's at the moment. I doubt that number will grow much, but it helps UKIP at a time when we don't have the resource to fight everywhere, make sure we are hitting more dangerous targets first. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-04-2006, 02:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	I know,I was just trying to motivate someone in UKIP HO to maybe get in touch with these people and take a few photos and note their courage. :wink: Denny may mobilise something,he's usually on the ball. :roll: By the way,Herr Davies,you a German now with the new title of Uber Member? 8)

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