There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

jp · 09-04-2006, 09:02 AM

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For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society's continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide INTO phpbb_the atmosphere.

In response to these facts, a global warming devotee will chuckle and say "how silly to judge climate change over such a short period". Yet in the next breath, the same person will assure you that the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming. Tosh. Our devotee will also pass by the curious additional facts that a period of similar warming occurred between 1918 and 1940, well prior to the greatest phase of world industrialisation, and that cooling occurred between 1940 and 1965, at precisely the time that human emissions were increasing at their greatest rate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../09/do0907.xml

Mini-mizer · 09-04-2006, 12:48 PM

CO2 and other 'greenhouse gasses' within the atmosphere are directly related to temperature - and there is no doubt that CO2 etc are increasing.....................aye climate change isn't happening because it says so in the paper :roll:

jp · 09-04-2006, 03:08 PM

Have a look at this:

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The causes of rapid climate changes remain unknown. Related research shows that changes in global temperature precede parallel changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide, and that, in the past, atmospheric carbon dioxide has attained levels an order of magnitude greater than current values. Further, atmospheric carbon dioxide acts as a plant fertilizer and mild greenhouse gas, and is therefore beneficial.

http://www.aie.org.au/pubs/Climate.doc

The hijacking of science by propaganda & pseudo - religious groups on this issue is shocking but hardly surprising.

C_steam · 09-04-2006, 04:07 PM

It's 4 in the afternoon in April. Outside, in southern derbyshire, it's just started snowing.................. :shock: :shock:

extra ordinary · 09-04-2006, 05:02 PM

climate change and global warming.
these are difficult subjects to talk through and keep sensible.
we can say we do not buy it and the earth is not really changing.
well fine but what about all the problems of our world and what we have done to it.
I mean mankind has caused harm with his toxic substances and unregulated use of the internal combustion engine. easy to see that.
the hard bit is trying to deal with it.
I rather take the view that what we can do is make a difference to peoples lives on a local and can do level.

keep cars but introduce the best methods of public transport possible.

through tax breaks and rewards schemes;get farms organic.

care about our wildlife and countryside again;stop housing estate plans.

with parking changes redirect shoppers to the high street -away from out of town superstores.

if it is a small business it is much more likely to be good business -lets major on helping them.

start creating parks and woodland for the benefit of all.

reuse and recycle made very simple, avaliable and fun and have returnable and refillable ideas promoted.

all is possible -we can be a world leader, not a leader of the world- it is too big.

an attractive package couId be devised and presented to the electorate :?:

John Page · 09-04-2006, 07:33 PM

The graph did show greater variations in temperature recently. Is this because data collection is better organised than it was in prehistoric times?

(Maybe DEFRA were responsible for it then!)

I remain a cautiously Skeptical Environmentalist.

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09-04-2006, 12:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mini-mizer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gollachy Posts: 15	CO2 and other 'greenhouse gasses' within the atmosphere are directly related to temperature - and there is no doubt that CO2 etc are increasing.....................aye climate change isn't happening because it says so in the paper :roll:

09-04-2006, 04:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,964	It's 4 in the afternoon in April. Outside, in southern derbyshire, it's just started snowing.................. :shock: :shock:

09-04-2006, 05:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
extra ordinary Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: south east Posts: 196	climate change and global warming. these are difficult subjects to talk through and keep sensible. we can say we do not buy it and the earth is not really changing. well fine but what about all the problems of our world and what we have done to it. I mean mankind has caused harm with his toxic substances and unregulated use of the internal combustion engine. easy to see that. the hard bit is trying to deal with it. I rather take the view that what we can do is make a difference to peoples lives on a local and can do level. keep cars but introduce the best methods of public transport possible. through tax breaks and rewards schemes;get farms organic. care about our wildlife and countryside again;stop housing estate plans. with parking changes redirect shoppers to the high street -away from out of town superstores. if it is a small business it is much more likely to be good business -lets major on helping them. start creating parks and woodland for the benefit of all. reuse and recycle made very simple, avaliable and fun and have returnable and refillable ideas promoted. all is possible -we can be a world leader, not a leader of the world- it is too big. an attractive package couId be devised and presented to the electorate :?:

09-04-2006, 07:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	The graph did show greater variations in temperature recently. Is this because data collection is better organised than it was in prehistoric times? (Maybe DEFRA were responsible for it then!) I remain a cautiously Skeptical Environmentalist.