johnnyvoid

Racist

UKIP’s present leader Roger Knapman has been a speaker at meetings of the Conservative Democratic Alliance (CDA), a shady organisation set up after Iain Duncan Smith expelled the notorious racist Monday Club. Leaders of the CDA include Stuart Millson, who left the tories in 1986 to join the BNP. Knapman allegedly was a former member of the Monday Club.

Knapman has been joined on the platform at these meetings by Derek Turner, editor of posh fash' rag Right Now! and David Irving's barrister Adrian Davies. more

marsipan

...of course you do not define racist. Like many of your way of thinking, you use the word racist and then highlight events to give weight to your rationale.

How about a quick definition of what consitutes racist?

(Remember it has to be couched in such terms that it somehow excludes organistaions like the National Black Police Association (welcomed with open arms by the three old parties), whose membership rules are clearly designed to exclude/discriminate against those of European (white) appearance although they can't actually state that)

Tom Wilde

Hello johnny,

That's pretty feeble, as is your blog.

I suppose your heart is in the right place with all the anti-fascist stuff, but you've got completely the wrong end of the stick about UKIP. Your supposed "evidence" that UKIP are racist is all very old hat - the same collection of selective half-truths that the Labour Party and Britain in Europe have been peddling for years. Nothing new at all. Why not use your own judgment and your own eyes, instead of reheating someone else's leftovers?

johnnyvoid

i aint denying i used some other folks research, but i made sure it checked out and it seems to

but most of what i wrote was based on comments made on the ukip website and the sites of ukip mep's

where else do you want me to go for information?

Britannist

Tom wrote above: the same collection of selective half-truths that the Labour Party and Britain in Europe have been peddling for years.

My reply: Exactly. I've known many UKIP people for many years and I've yet to meet one who could, in any way, be described as racist. Members of UKIP join because of their rightful opposition to the EU and, once in UKIP, that is what such people campaign for.

UKIP has been forced to talk about immigration control because - under the terms of our EU membership - 470 million people on the continent may enter the UK without British border control authorities being able to do anything about it. No one minds a certain number of people coming here - but the influx from eastern europe is TEN times what the lying Blair Government said it would be (before the majority of eastern nations of europe entered the EU on 1.5.2004). I was told only yesterday morning (Thursday) that some people are having difficulty in getting much-needed casual work at their local private employment agency - because Poles have taken the jobs instead. The local newspaper in the area I'm referring to said that the agency now has 500 Poles on its books (and this is a small town) :shock: .

Britannist

Johnny Void just wrote : Knapman allegedly was a former member of the Monday Club.

My reply: There is no evidence that Mr. Knapman was a member of the Monday Club (none that I can find anyway). The Monday Club supports immigration control. What's wrong with that? Immigration control is maintained as a strict policy by the Governments of over 100 developing nations.

Immigration control was a central plank of the campaign of Michael Howard (former Conservative leader) at the May 2005 General Election. There were big posters up across the country last April calling for immigration control and stating that it was "not racist" to want immigration control. The posters were part of the Conservative campaign orchestrated by David Cameron MP (who was working on Michael Howard's inner team at the time).

UKIP mostly concentrated on the EU issue in last year's General Election campaign.

B.A.Ware

Hello Johnny, come round my place and call me a racist and stop hiding behind your blog you ****.

johnnyvoid

i'll try find the link about the monday club, but it wasnt conclusive which is why i said allegedly

but hes certain got some good buddies who have been involved

and the monday club was more than about immigration control and you know it, or youre living in cloud cuckoo land, thats why they got kicked out of the tories

Britannist

Exactly. Johnny could well have a political chip on his shoulder :shock: .

Anthony Butcher

If I thought that UKIP was racist I would have nothing to do with it.

We see just about everything that goes on in the party on this forum, and I have never seen anything racist. There are obviously a few individuals who hold certain views, just like there are in other parties and outside the political bubble.

I challenge you to produce a single policy or statement from UKIP that is racist in nature.

Almost all of the accusations consits of "A former member..." or so and so "used to be in this racist organisation...". That's not proof of anything it is circumstantial gossip.

Does the fact that I am in UKIP make me racist in your eyes?