swimmer

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Knight of the Forum

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locked. already being discussed elsewhere.
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You had a thread about membership leaks but was locked, I wanted to query about this but could not as you had Locked it, you then lock my new thread, to stop it being mentioned again. So much for free speech and the behaviour makes me wonder if there is something in it???

How pleased i am i did not join UKIP if this is the way you go on, so much for free speech. I have read this forum for ages now and only yesterday decided to add messages, after seeing your title and thinking it wasnt just all about UKIP. Well I was going to break the bad news slowly, but as you LOCK free speech I'm off so I'll tell you what I a young businessman thinks of your party...

1. Your 'LEADER' is a hilarious joke for a so called national party. About as much charisma as a chair leg. Is he a stooge or something, does he delibarately avoid publicity and TV cameras. Does he see himself as some sort of invisible guiding force? :shock:

2. Nigel Farage seems OK, when Ive seen him on question time, but i was suprised to hear he was so young did I not hear him say on QT he is 41, - how come he seems 20 yrs older than D. Cameron? Cant see him being taken seriously by the electorate. More like a parliamentary sketch writer And those tabloid stories ops:

3. The way you grabbed onto Kilroys perma tanned body made you look pathetic, I mean were you all in on this or something, was it some sort of v. strange tactic. It was obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that the outcome would be exactly what happened.

4. You actually seem more xenophobic than the BNP in terms of Europeans. The BNP seems to have many 'friends' in EU in the sense each nation has a nationalist party. And on occasion they seem to link up and promote their values with the like of Vlams Belang, Le Pen for eg. When has UKIP ever been seen to work alongside europeans.

5. My impression of the MEPs is that they actually quite enjoy the EU perks and jollies over in Brussels.

6. You have little in common with each other except for your dislike of the EU

7. Such is your paranoia of being like the BNP you start having a panic attack over a story on your website that mentions the white population of the UK is down 500,000. A story nearly every mainstram national newspaper were quite comfortable reporting on.

8. I actually reckon the BNP will overtake you in popular support, based on my own analysis. Mainly that all politics is about gathering momentum, something they seem to be acquiring and you are losing.

Sorry, I can't take you serious. ALL MESSAGES END , OVER AND OUT.

B.A.Ware

Is that supposed to mean something :roll:

swimmer

YES! If you were a serious party. As a 'young business person' I along with other young entrepreneurs are at the coal face of EU red tape. If you were a serious party we would be flocking to you.

In the last week I have suffered directly from EU bureaucracy directly interfering in my business which has resulted in reduced orders.

If your not attracting young people you might as well give up now. And if there was no young business people like me our economy would grind to halt and who would create the wealth to pay for all the baby boomers pensions and government army of pen pushers????? I will respond to any other daft remarks on this thread but that is it...

B.A.Ware

swimmer

If you are who you say you are, in my opinion you know very little about politics.
You have come on here and posted on three or four threads and added very little to the debate. Whether you like it or not politics is a long game it needs many skills, you need to listen, to understand, to offer solutions, to accept there are different arguments, not take things personnel and most of all remember that everyone has a point of view even if they disagree with yours.

swimmer

YOU SAY
If you are who you say you are...

P P PARANOIA!!!!!

Spare me the lecture, this thread is all about your forum locking threads you dont want discussing, so dont go on about respecting other view points etc, this forum clearly doesnt.

I dont know much about politics, fair enough your opinion. But I do now that if UKIP is what you would call Pros then why do you only have a handful of town councillors? Lets ignore the MEPs after all they were voted in on a well planned temporary media kilroy led hype of your party, that was clearly carried out to prevent 'another' anti EU party getting seats, which they would have if they had had the same media exposure as you.

You talk about planning for the long term that EU election was like watching an elephant on stilts, completely unsustainable and was certain to collapse quite quickly, which it did after just a few months after the election(if that) when kilroy did the predictable and left taking Joan Collins with him.

Now you are back to where you were before that saga. And of course with the collapse comes deflation, your all now scratching your heads wondering why you arent banging on the doors of No. 10.

This amateur predicts you will forever be seen as un important party unable to capture the general EU sceptic feelings over the long term of the average citizen including me. :wink:

B.A.Ware

swimmer wrote
Its not its just my opinion

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I've seen the thread that was locked, i think you will find it also said this subject was being discussed on another thread, its happened to me before get over it.

I agree its just my opinion

The same reason any party trying to break INTO phpbb_main stream politics has.


I agree RKS and the publicity that came with him helped us achieve the good results we got in the 20004 elections


In your opinion but also shows the angle you are coming from.

I was not happy like a lot of Ukippers about the in action after the election success, that was RKSs biggest gripe.

No we are not, we never thought we would be at this stage of a party.

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Maybe you are right but should that mean we should stop trying to take back control of our country.

Anthony Butcher

Threads are locked or deleted for five reasons:

1. They go off topic.
2. They are posted in the wrong area, especially racial/immigration topics.
3. They become personal.
4. They are duplicating discussions elsewhere.
5. they are trolling/time wasting posts.

That's it. We don't delete anything because we are uncomfortable with it. As you can see, there is plenty of criticism of UKIP on here, including from the moderators. To claim that deletions are politically motivated is nonsense.

If a thread has been locked, it is for a reason. It doesn't mean "please post the same thread again and again and start talking about it some more".

Before complaining about free speech, please take the time to read the welcome message:
http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/welcome.html

swimmer

Anthony Butcher says

There is no right to free speech here,

I say

well if i'd known that i wouldnt have bothered, doesn't say much for UKIP. What a thing to write, quite the little dictator.

swimmer

that was clearly carried out to prevent 'another' anti EU party getting seats, which they would have if they had had the same media exposure as you.


In your opinion but also shows the angle you are coming from.
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Im coming from an impartial angle. I think a lot of your members would privately agree with my point. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to have seen right through the ploy. The liberal media were more than happy to talk up your chances to avoid the bnp getting MEPs. They come close in some regions and without your over the top media saturation would have no doubt gained a couple of seats.

Anthony Butcher

What has it got to do with UKIP? This is a private forum, nothing to do with UKIP.

There has to be a set of rules to make it workable for the majority. We are extremely tolerant, especially of criticism. Our job is to make the forum as useable as possible, and that means that we do have to moderate some discussions. Without the moderation, the forum would quickly become unusable.

There is also the legal aspect - I am potentially liable as the owner for things posted here, and have a duty to ensure that offensive content is removed. Hence I simply cannot afford to let people post anything - there has to be a level of control.

If that makes me a dictator.... :roll: