Your views on Conservative MP's cowardly act

Hartlepool · 27-11-2005, 05:18 PM

Yeh,thats right MKP,and another thing,he needs to stop trying to impersonate Wayne Sleep too.

Independent Man · 28-11-2005, 02:17 AM

Funny, isn't it, how those who have been brainwashed by the media believe that 'liberals' are democrats and the BNP are 'fascists', whereas in reality it is the other way round. The BNP want to extend democracy by instituting citizen-initiated referenda, and the 'liberals' want to crush parties they don't approve of.

mkpdavies · 28-11-2005, 08:01 AM

No, the BNP's only want to do it for whites. That is a different kind of fascim, but it's still fascism.

Aardvark · 28-11-2005, 08:24 AM

Fascism never seeems to get a proper definition, but when it is thrown at 'nationalists' etc one should note that after WWII Sir Oswald Moseley, former leader of the British Union of Fascists set up the Union Movement and campaigned for a single European state!!! Fascism seeks the unification of Europe.

Independent Man · 28-11-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

No, the BNP's only want to do it for whites. That is a different kind of fascim, but it's still fascism.

'Fascism' is a stupid and meaningless insult used by people who are unable or unwilling to discuss the issues. A defining characteristic of fascism is that it is opposed to democracy. I have demonstrated that, far from being opposed to democracy, the BNP wants to extend it. The BNP cannot, therefore, by definition, be 'fascist'.

As for the suggestion that the BNP only want referenda for whites, can you source that? As far as I am aware all those legally resident here would have a vote, and the BNP has made it clear that those who are here legally and wish to remain could continue to do so.

mkpdavies · 28-11-2005, 02:59 PM

No it is a useful and meaningful description, that can be used to highlight a non-democratic "I'm the only person who can be right" attitude.

Bliar has very fascist tendancies. Stalin did too, as did Hitler and Mussolini.

The BNP is biased against non-whites. It doesn't even pretend to represent all Britains as it only allows white people to be members. A party that doesn't even allow membership to all Britains, can hardly claim to represent all Britains. It also can't pretend to be democratic, as it doesn't allow all people to take part in it's democracy.

The BNP will say many things to get INTO phpbb_power. Don't know why, but I don't believe them. It wasn't long ago that force repatriation was a manifesto pledge.

Oh and when the BNP say "after those who have chosen to "return" go back, a BNP government will take a decision on the rest." What exactly could they mean? It's pretty prejudiced to only offer the money to non-whites anyway, but this sounds almost Bliaresque in the way it tries to appear to say one thing, while clearly meaning something else.

Jonathan36 · 28-11-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

The BNP is biased against non-whites. It doesn't even pretend to represent all Britains as it only allows white people to be members. A party that doesn't even allow membership to all Britains, can hardly claim to represent all Britains. It also can't pretend to be democratic, as it doesn't allow all people to take part in it's democracy.

What is a Briton, really? That is the question. Is it anyone who has managed to get their hands on a British passport? Or is it anyone who has managed to reach the white cliffs of Dover, even swimming across the channel? Britain 50 years ago was largely comprised of the descendants of Anglo-Saxon-Celtic-Norman-Scandinavian tribes, and has been for over a thousand years.

mkpdavies · 28-11-2005, 06:26 PM

I'm locking this, as it has drifted away to a topic for the race zone.

28-11-2005, 08:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,112 Party: Libertarian Party	No, the BNP's only want to do it for whites. That is a different kind of fascim, but it's still fascism. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

28-11-2005, 02:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,112 Party: Libertarian Party	No it is a useful and meaningful description, that can be used to highlight a non-democratic "I'm the only person who can be right" attitude. Bliar has very fascist tendancies. Stalin did too, as did Hitler and Mussolini. The BNP is biased against non-whites. It doesn't even pretend to represent all Britains as it only allows white people to be members. A party that doesn't even allow membership to all Britains, can hardly claim to represent all Britains. It also can't pretend to be democratic, as it doesn't allow all people to take part in it's democracy. The BNP will say many things to get INTO phpbb_power. Don't know why, but I don't believe them. It wasn't long ago that force repatriation was a manifesto pledge. Oh and when the BNP say "after those who have chosen to "return" go back, a BNP government will take a decision on the rest." What exactly could they mean? It's pretty prejudiced to only offer the money to non-whites anyway, but this sounds almost Bliaresque in the way it tries to appear to say one thing, while clearly meaning something else. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

28-11-2005, 06:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,112 Party: Libertarian Party	I'm locking this, as it has drifted away to a topic for the race zone. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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27-11-2005, 05:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,814 Party: Popular Democrats	Yeh,thats right MKP,and another thing,he needs to stop trying to impersonate Wayne Sleep too.

28-11-2005, 02:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
Independent Man Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 66	Funny, isn't it, how those who have been brainwashed by the media believe that 'liberals' are democrats and the BNP are 'fascists', whereas in reality it is the other way round. The BNP want to extend democracy by instituting citizen-initiated referenda, and the 'liberals' want to crush parties they don't approve of.

28-11-2005, 08:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,976	Fascism never seeems to get a proper definition, but when it is thrown at 'nationalists' etc one should note that after WWII Sir Oswald Moseley, former leader of the British Union of Fascists set up the Union Movement and campaigned for a single European state!!! Fascism seeks the unification of Europe.