Jean Pool

Immigration is not a red herring when it comes to terrorism. It is through this pathetic "open-door" policy (especially from muslim stronghold countries) that we are up to our necks in this quagmire now.

Agreed, home-grown terrorism is looming on a terrifying scale.

Why on earth would we want to expand on this by continuing with a policy which initially bred these rabid lunatics?

Apart from extreme cases of hardship, shut the borders to any more muslim influx.

Dear me.

Anthony Butcher

Absolutely. It is crazy that we don't know who is entering and leaving this country. I had my passport scanned when returning from holiday recently, but is anything actually done with this information? Is it checked against a database of known suspects? Could I have left the airport before they realised that I was a known terrorist?

Why wasn't my passport scanned when leaving the country?

So it is OK to completely alter a major national policy at the request of terrorists? Surely the whole point of fighting terrorism is to not let them have any impact? Are you really willing to let four suicide bombers decimate the NHS and damage large sections of the service/hospitality industry? That will be the only result of ending immigration. All it will do is massively magnify the effect of the London bombs, far beyond their current impact.

Easier said than done of course. What impact would this have on the economy? All of those illegal immigrants have to support themselves somehow, since they can't claim benefits or the dole. What would the impact be of removing 600,000 menial workers from Britain? Would this country turn INTO phpbb_the dustbin of Europe??

I am not suggesting that we shouldn't tackle the problem, but we need to have contingency plans in place to deal with the fallout from it, and we need to accept that illegal immigrants are fused INTO phpbb_the economy.

This is all part of UKIP growing as a party. We need to tackle the issues responsibly and ensure that policies also deal with their own consequences.

Jean Pool

Anthony, plain ridiculous.

You are talking as if removing 600,000 illegals (a million in my estimate) would happen overnight. This would obviously be very gradual, if ever implemented, over a period years.

I think you have much valid to say but on this topic - very little.

Anthony Butcher

So if you were a terrorist trying to enter the country, would it occur to you to lie about your religion? Banning a religion is never going to work, and it is extremely unfair on those Muslims who don't support terrorism.

Or is the BNP really calling for a halt to all non-white immigration?

Anthony Butcher

OK, but what impact will this have on the economy? If we managed to deport 100,000 illegal immigrants per year, what impact would this have?

It is all very well for the BNP to call for this, but no one seems to mention that they have no idea what will happen as a result.

In terms of tackling illegal immigration, the first step has to be getting control of the current situation and stop the numbers increasing.

As you say, deporting that many people is almost certainly beyond our police force, so we need to look at alternatives. I seriously think that we need to look at offering an amnesty for people already here. This would get them out of the black market, start them paying income tax, allow them proper access to the health service, end the abuse by employers and so on. Since they are already here and we have no way of removing them, we might as well bring them INTO phpbb_the system.

Jean Pool

We have enough gleeful little bomb-makers holed up in Dewsbury or wherever at present. Lessons have to be learnt from past mistakes.

My position is clear - you read it. Your "muslim sympathies" are most peculiar..?

Nu-Lab have already tried that line. Look where we are today through it.

And I do not believe "moderate" (supposed) muslims have condemned the recent outrages nearly enough.

We draw our own conclusions.

mkpdavies

I have drawn mine.

There are some VERY stupid, evil ******** in this world.

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Jean Pool

Maybe you can elaborate later. I appreciate now is not a good time.

mkpdavies

I don't need to elaborate.

There are plenty of sick, evil, hateful people from all quarters of life. They are all as guilty as each other.

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Anthony Butcher

You have completely dodged the question of how will you know if someone is Muslim or not.

It isn't Muslim sympathies, it is about treating people with respect and with equality. Discriminating against someone based on their religion, is no different to discriminating against them because of their skin colour. I just believe in judging people by what they say and do, not arbitrarily categorising them and discriminating against them.

Why should they? Have you gone out and demonstrated against terrorism? If you don't feel obliged to, why should someone else just because they happen to share the same apparent religion as a terrorist? We don't see Catholics out protesting against the IRA.

83% of Muslims said that there is no justification for terrorism. A further 11% said that there was some justification (i.e. bombing of innocent civilians in Iraq), but overall terrorism isn't justified. Why aren't these numbers good enough to convince you that the majority of Muslims don't support terrorism?