British ISPs told to grass on pirates

mkpdavies · 14-03-2005, 11:47 AM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21801

Quote:

UK COURTS have ordered British ISPs to hand over the names and addresses of file sharers to the record industry.
The High Court move gives legal backing to the British Phonographic Industry’s moves against file sharing pirates. More than 31 individuals' details will be given to the BPI under the current court order.

I remember singing a song at assembly at primary school that went like this.

Love is something if you give it away
Give it away
Give it away
Love is something if you give it away
You end up having more

It's just like a magic penny
Hold it tight and you won't have any
Lend it, spend it and you'll have so many
They'll roll all over the floor
For
(repeat)

I guess the song doesn't apply in this case!

Not sure I like the idea that they are monitoring our web usage though. What else could they pull you in on.

Visiting www.ukip.org to often?
or worse this site! :shock:

14-03-2005, 12:13 PM

what you have to remember in this case its only 31 or so people.

sharing the occasional file is not a problem but some people really do rip the mic out of it

without knowing all the details i would assume these people were doing nothing but downloading and sharing

what you have to remember here is there probably millions of people file sharing in this way and they are looking for details on 31 or so people so the question you have to ask yourself is what have these few people done thats different

bascailly to put it in perspective how many people use the internet compared with the 31 we are talking here its not a big deal

mkpdavies · 14-03-2005, 01:44 PM

Oh I'm not defending the 31. I do wonder why they do it, if they are not getting anything out of it for themselves though.

I'm just a bit concerned that ISP's are now being forced to hand over private information on THEIR clients, to other big businesses.

I thought the data protection act was supposed to prevent that sort of thing. In this case, it sounds like people who deserve to be stopped are being targeted, but what other information could be obtained this way?

Labour could be compiling a dossier on all the non-Labour activity going on. I could be getting a knock on the door any day now! :shock:

14-03-2005, 02:04 PM

here is another bit of info about me i work for an ISP

for most people who download the odd film or album this is not an issue

however someone sitting there constantly downloading every single film or every single album that comes out downloading more than they could ever listen to or watch is a problem more than likely they are putting what they download onto discs etc and selling them in the barras or other such places there is lots of money to be made but its piracy and illegal

in all the time i have worked for my present company we have only removed 2 users from our network which compared with the amount of customers we have is nothing

to be honest if your following the rules then you have nothing to worry about

C_steam · 14-03-2005, 02:17 PM

A moral nightmare MKP.

Is downloading one song a week OK?
How about one song a week and copying it for your pals?
One song a week and sell a copy or two?
One song per day / per hour?
How about continual downloading through multiple accounts?

Where are you going to draw the line?

mkpdavies · 14-03-2005, 02:31 PM

If you want to take the law to the letter. Downloading just one piece of copyright material is breaking the law.

There is no way you could enforce the law to this extent though, so they are going after the big uploaders, who provide everyone with the material.

So the real problem is, you can't stop people from trying to get something for nothing. Especially when it has become so easy to do!

Human nature does it again! Humans can't be trusted!

14-03-2005, 02:56 PM

the problem here is the ones that download and then sell those are the only ones that are targeted

e.g. you download every new film before it comes out in the UK then copy those films onto disc perhaps 50 copies of each film and every film you can calculate how much money we are talking here. like i said earlier to sell to make money from then its illegail and to be honest shoudl be stopped. Some people make a lot of money thousands of pounds from this

if you download the odd movie or a CD or two then you have got nothing to worry about this argument has been going on for years with VHS for example but these people take to far and if they are what i imageine them to be download to sell people then they know the risks

as i said earier for those 31 people to have been caught they must have been making making money or really taking the mic from the proceess to get caught remember it wasnt the ISP grassing them up for what they were doing an external body asked for the info from the ISP

basically the average user has nothing to worry about

John Carter · 14-03-2005, 11:13 PM

I find this whole thing quite amusing. The entertainments industry pushes broadband thinking that they're going to be able to use it to make more money, then wonders what's hit them when everyone starts using it to pirate stuff.
Does anyone really need more than 128 kbps (i.e. dual channel ISDN) for anything other than nicking copyrighted stuff?

MrMoor · 15-03-2005, 07:02 PM

The music industry does this for the sake of the artists who are being deprived of their royalties whenever someone downloads a song for free.

The same music industry which shamelessly rips off artist and promotes people because of how they look rather than how they sound. Besides, someone can get a song from the internet for free perhaps, most are low quality incomplete files, probably the downloader would never buy the record anyway.

I'm not particularly interested in music anyway, but how far can this go, how long before simply listening to a radio will necessitate the need to pay a monthly subscription using the same reasons?

The music industry is in the business of making money, not music, they will trample over small people to show people how tough they are, do they really care about their artists? No!

C_steam · 15-03-2005, 09:04 PM

Answer to John Carter. Porn, of course - which has been the driving force behind the net for quite some time now.

14-03-2005, 01:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,083 Party: Libertarian Party	Oh I'm not defending the 31. I do wonder why they do it, if they are not getting anything out of it for themselves though. I'm just a bit concerned that ISP's are now being forced to hand over private information on THEIR clients, to other big businesses. I thought the data protection act was supposed to prevent that sort of thing. In this case, it sounds like people who deserve to be stopped are being targeted, but what other information could be obtained this way? Labour could be compiling a dossier on all the non-Labour activity going on. I could be getting a knock on the door any day now! :shock: __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

14-03-2005, 02:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,083 Party: Libertarian Party	If you want to take the law to the letter. Downloading just one piece of copyright material is breaking the law. There is no way you could enforce the law to this extent though, so they are going after the big uploaders, who provide everyone with the material. So the real problem is, you can't stop people from trying to get something for nothing. Especially when it has become so easy to do! Human nature does it again! Humans can't be trusted! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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14-03-2005, 12:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	what you have to remember in this case its only 31 or so people. sharing the occasional file is not a problem but some people really do rip the mic out of it without knowing all the details i would assume these people were doing nothing but downloading and sharing what you have to remember here is there probably millions of people file sharing in this way and they are looking for details on 31 or so people so the question you have to ask yourself is what have these few people done thats different bascailly to put it in perspective how many people use the internet compared with the 31 we are talking here its not a big deal

14-03-2005, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	here is another bit of info about me i work for an ISP for most people who download the odd film or album this is not an issue however someone sitting there constantly downloading every single film or every single album that comes out downloading more than they could ever listen to or watch is a problem more than likely they are putting what they download onto discs etc and selling them in the barras or other such places there is lots of money to be made but its piracy and illegal in all the time i have worked for my present company we have only removed 2 users from our network which compared with the amount of customers we have is nothing to be honest if your following the rules then you have nothing to worry about

14-03-2005, 02:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,797	A moral nightmare MKP. Is downloading one song a week OK? How about one song a week and copying it for your pals? One song a week and sell a copy or two? One song per day / per hour? How about continual downloading through multiple accounts? Where are you going to draw the line?

14-03-2005, 02:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	the problem here is the ones that download and then sell those are the only ones that are targeted e.g. you download every new film before it comes out in the UK then copy those films onto disc perhaps 50 copies of each film and every film you can calculate how much money we are talking here. like i said earlier to sell to make money from then its illegail and to be honest shoudl be stopped. Some people make a lot of money thousands of pounds from this if you download the odd movie or a CD or two then you have got nothing to worry about this argument has been going on for years with VHS for example but these people take to far and if they are what i imageine them to be download to sell people then they know the risks as i said earier for those 31 people to have been caught they must have been making making money or really taking the mic from the proceess to get caught remember it wasnt the ISP grassing them up for what they were doing an external body asked for the info from the ISP basically the average user has nothing to worry about

14-03-2005, 11:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	I find this whole thing quite amusing. The entertainments industry pushes broadband thinking that they're going to be able to use it to make more money, then wonders what's hit them when everyone starts using it to pirate stuff. Does anyone really need more than 128 kbps (i.e. dual channel ISDN) for anything other than nicking copyrighted stuff?

15-03-2005, 07:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
MrMoor Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 259	The music industry does this for the sake of the artists who are being deprived of their royalties whenever someone downloads a song for free. The same music industry which shamelessly rips off artist and promotes people because of how they look rather than how they sound. Besides, someone can get a song from the internet for free perhaps, most are low quality incomplete files, probably the downloader would never buy the record anyway. I'm not particularly interested in music anyway, but how far can this go, how long before simply listening to a radio will necessitate the need to pay a monthly subscription using the same reasons? The music industry is in the business of making money, not music, they will trample over small people to show people how tough they are, do they really care about their artists? No!

15-03-2005, 09:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,797	Answer to John Carter. Porn, of course - which has been the driving force behind the net for quite some time now.