B.A.Ware

I don’t know if any body remembers but the subject is what do people think the causes of crime are.

kernow

In my opinion the causes of crime are because the human animal has many flaws and always will have. I have no idea when the ten commandments where supposed to have been written down, but I do know it was a very long time ago. If you read them you can see that to-days humans are still breaking the same laws (and always will) The problem that the law abiding majority have is, how to control and limit the damage done by the criminals. This is where my zero tolerance to all criminals comes in. Make the penalties so severe that criminals will ( except for the complete nut cases) be too terrified to break the law.

B.A.Ware

But have we not created some of the criminals ourselves by devastating mining villages and creating a must have culture. What ever happened to community spirit where people watched out for each other?

kernow

I understand where you're coming from, but people, murder, rape and steal regardless of their personel wealth. Some of the wealthiest people have been the biggest thieves. I and millions like me were brought up as poor as Church mice in the fifties, but that didn't make us steal. My Mother " Hammered" INTO phpbb_me that two of the worst things you could be was a thief or a liar. I have remembered those words all my life. :wink:

B.A.Ware

You are right I was bought up in similar circumstances. My mother died when I was 6 and my father was left to bring up 5 children on his own. If our mother had not installed the same principles as your own mother I dread to think where I would be now. This is one of the things that concern’s me. Parents in today’s society are not installing these morals and are not taking responsibility for there children. But what is making this happen is it because the Government is taking to much control and giving children rights without responsibility’s.

John Carter

Criminals.

B.A.Ware

Yes but why are they criminals

mkpdavies

There are multiple reasons people become criminals.

Some are due to desperation.
Some are due to nasty attitude brought about from either upbringing, or just born evil.
Some do it because they think they can get away with it.
Some do it out of peer pressure.

In short there are many reasons why people become criminals. Some instances can almost be justified! Others are sickening. It's very hard to have a blanket catch-all punishment/rehabilitation to address all offenders.

This is why a multi-pronged approach is required.

1) We don't want people to consider crime as an option again.
2) We don't want to waste money on these people.
3) We do want them to become respectable citizens, with something to give.
4) We want the victims to feel like justice has been done.
5) The publics welfare should be priority number 1.

So for me prison shouldn't be the only option and it should also be a lot more productive than it is now.

Prison should have the inmates working harder than they ever do on the outside! Hopefuly helping to pay for their stay!
Prison should have education and skills elements to help the criminals out of their ruts.
Time off for good behaviour, should be balanced with time on for bad.
Repeat offences should equal harsher penalties.

Minor crimes should be dealt with by real community service, backed with education and skills training too!

Of course, creating a society where their is no desperation and people respect each other is the ultimate goals. Then we will have less people who fall INTO phpbb_the poverty-desperation-broken home spiral.

When Blair said tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, I think he wasn't wrong. The fact he has failed miseralbly to be tough on either is the real crime!

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B.A.Ware

[quote="mkpdavies"]There are multiple reasons people become criminals.

Mkp No one is born evil its a good excuse for them, its bad parenting.

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No one with a good upbringing would do it.

Not if they had a good upbringing


I don’t understand this.

mkpdavies

Totaly disagree. Some people have their brains wired wrong, simple as that. There may be less of them, but they are out there. I don't believe any amount of bad parentling could make someone who kills people and eats their brains for instance. Call it criminialy insane or whatever.

In general I agree, but there are exceptions to the rule. How do explain families that have a couple of great kids, but one that goes completley off the rails. Same upbringing was good for two and bad for one?


If they are going to prison, then they are not respectable and have taken from society. We don't just want to punnish them. We want to turn them around and encourage them to be people who don't do crime and can look after themselves.

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