Burglars

B.A.Ware · 13-01-2005, 01:30 PM

The government has ruled out amending the present law, which allows "reasonable force" in self-defence. Instead, the government has decided no change is needed but there will be a publicity campaign so people are clear they are entitled to defend themselves. Meanwhile the Tory’s want to change the law so only householders using "grossly disproportionate" force could be prosecuted.
What is grossly disproportionate force?
My thoughts are that the burglar has very limited rights when he enters other people’s premises. If I am lying in my bed and I hear someone coming up my stairs do I hit him once with my handy snooker cue or do I keep hitting him until he is incapacitated. If he is running out of my door holding my wallet do I chase after him and use violence to get it back. I think I should be able to use any means possible to protect my family and myself. The burglar should be arrested and taken away, if he implies excess force has been used a statement should be taken from the householder at their home not taken down the police station and questioned for five hours The emphasis should be on the burglar to prove you have used excess force. He can put his case before a judge and the judge should decide whether there is a case to be answered .

mkpdavies · 13-01-2005, 01:56 PM

The law should be biased in favour of the home owner. A criminal should not be protected by the law, when he steps outside of the law himself in this situation.

The police will still have to do the fundamental checks that there was indeed an attempted burgalary/break in. As long as they are satified, then it shouldn't go to court, other than to prosecute the assailant.

All in my humble opinion of course!

Nick Moody · 13-01-2005, 04:49 PM

I agree that the burglar should have no rights when he has entered my house illegally. Should I encounter a burglar coming up my stairs at night when my family are asleep then he'll get both barrels. He would be severely injured or dead but my family would be safe, and that's all that matters to me.

kernow · 13-01-2005, 05:21 PM

I totaly agree with Nick Moody, all burglers should lose all rights once they enter any property illegally. In my opinion if you made punishment for all crimes against people really severe, ( I mean dead!) within a very short time such crimes would cease, because the criminal class would be too terrified to operate.

C_steam · 13-01-2005, 06:19 PM

Lets wait and see shall we? Although part of me wants to accuse B Liar of a rapid U turn on this, we won't really know until the court cases come up.

I suspect that judges now will be well aware of this issue and work circumspectly. The only people likely to get 'done' are those who go over the top and/or shoot people in the back as they are running away.

For those who remember slurry question time, Germaine Greer made the salient point about ensuring, in the case of any injury to a burglar, that your story is that it occurred during entry as they were trying to force their way in.

Intbel · 18-01-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

Lets wait and see shall we? Although part of me wants to accuse B Liar of a rapid U turn on this, we won't really know until the court cases come up.

I suspect that judges now will be well aware of this issue and work circumspectly. The only people likely to get 'done' are those who go over the top and/or shoot people in the back as they are running away.

For those who remember slurry question time, Germaine Greer made the salient point about ensuring, in the case of any injury to a burglar, that your story is that it occurred during entry as they were trying to force their way in.

" He burst in backwards m'lud"

Yeah, that will work.

13-01-2005, 01:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,330 Party: UKIP	Burglars The government has ruled out amending the present law, which allows "reasonable force" in self-defence. Instead, the government has decided no change is needed but there will be a publicity campaign so people are clear they are entitled to defend themselves. Meanwhile the Tory’s want to change the law so only householders using "grossly disproportionate" force could be prosecuted. What is grossly disproportionate force? My thoughts are that the burglar has very limited rights when he enters other people’s premises. If I am lying in my bed and I hear someone coming up my stairs do I hit him once with my handy snooker cue or do I keep hitting him until he is incapacitated. If he is running out of my door holding my wallet do I chase after him and use violence to get it back. I think I should be able to use any means possible to protect my family and myself. The burglar should be arrested and taken away, if he implies excess force has been used a statement should be taken from the householder at their home not taken down the police station and questioned for five hours The emphasis should be on the burglar to prove you have used excess force. He can put his case before a judge and the judge should decide whether there is a case to be answered .

13-01-2005, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	The law should be biased in favour of the home owner. A criminal should not be protected by the law, when he steps outside of the law himself in this situation. The police will still have to do the fundamental checks that there was indeed an attempted burgalary/break in. As long as they are satified, then it shouldn't go to court, other than to prosecute the assailant. All in my humble opinion of course! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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13-01-2005, 04:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nick Moody Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 100	I agree that the burglar should have no rights when he has entered my house illegally. Should I encounter a burglar coming up my stairs at night when my family are asleep then he'll get both barrels. He would be severely injured or dead but my family would be safe, and that's all that matters to me.

13-01-2005, 05:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,018	I totaly agree with Nick Moody, all burglers should lose all rights once they enter any property illegally. In my opinion if you made punishment for all crimes against people really severe, ( I mean dead!) within a very short time such crimes would cease, because the criminal class would be too terrified to operate.

13-01-2005, 06:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,509	Lets wait and see shall we? Although part of me wants to accuse B Liar of a rapid U turn on this, we won't really know until the court cases come up. I suspect that judges now will be well aware of this issue and work circumspectly. The only people likely to get 'done' are those who go over the top and/or shoot people in the back as they are running away. For those who remember slurry question time, Germaine Greer made the salient point about ensuring, in the case of any injury to a burglar, that your story is that it occurred during entry as they were trying to force their way in.