Go on EDUKATE me.. Stay in Europe?

Matt O'Grady · 18-03-2005, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Just like the American market, just like the Japanese market just like any other market in the world. It makes very little difference in reality and the disadvantages of all the useless regulations and costs far outweigh any benefits. Also, Britain could get a bit nasty itself and make the EU jump through hoops too if they wanted to play that game, as we buy more than we sell, the EU would be mad to go down that route. As the EU accounts for just 10% of Britains economy, even if the EU was totaly stupid, we would not suffer that much. Indeed we would be free to trade with who we want to again, rather than turning our backs on the commonwealth as we so shamefuly have now.

Europe counts for 60% of our exports though. If we tried to make the EU "jump through hoops" they'd be able to just turn around and tell us to sod off.

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What???
A free trade area is in everyone interests, that's why we all want it, and thats why the WTO is forcing the WHOLE WORLD down that route anyway. Try to see the big picuture instead of being so inward looking all the time. Europe is just one small contienent, Britain is a global looking nation!

A free trade area is in everyones interests. But Europe who needs who more, do we need the EU more or do the EU need us more? We need the EU more and if the EU told us that we had to accept what they said or would not be able to trade freely with us, we would have no choice but to accept.

And I love the idea of a UKIP member calling me inward looking! :P

mkpdavies · 18-03-2005, 03:20 AM

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Europe counts for 60% of our exports though. If we tried to make the EU "jump through hoops" they'd be able to just turn around and tell us to sod off

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60% of sod all is sod all though isn't it. Britain stopped being a manufactoring force a long time ago. UKIP want to address that, but we will need to get out of the EU to do it. As I said before though, unless the EU wants to start going against WTO ruling, which would see it shunned by the rest of the world, it really doesn't want to go down that route.

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We need the EU more and if the EU told us that we had to accept what they said or would not be able to trade freely with us, we would have no choice but to accept.

This is just plain wrong. You will have to give me some evidence to prove it. You won't be able to though.

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And I love the idea of a UKIP member calling me inward looking!

The thing is, it's true isn't it. While you are all consumed by what the EU can do for Britain, we look at the situation from a global perspective. Thats why we realise what folly this whole EU project is! I know in your heart you know it too, but the loyalty you have built up to the Lib Dems has got hold of you. Have a chat with Anthony, he learned to break free, you can do it too!

Intbel · 18-03-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt O'Grady

But as part of that agreement they have to accept all the rulings of the EU (at least on trade issues) but have no say of their own!

This point has been answered already.
It must be added that free of the EU we could then again (for example) obtain New Zealand butter - better quality at a better price than the French butter which we help to subsidise inb the first place.

Hell, we may even once again produce our own butter, why not?

Being a member of the EU prevents us from trading freely with the rest of the world. I think it is preferable to sacrifice (though it wouldn't happen) trade with EU countries than with the rest of the world.

Remember, under the new constitution, the EU will cease to become a group of member states - it will become a single state/country in its own right with a single, common trade policy.

If the EU decides to have a disagreement with the USA and stops trading with the USA then so will we. Equally, should the EU go to war we would also be at war - think about that Mr. O'Grady.

Anthony Butcher · 18-03-2005, 10:54 AM

If we left the EU, both sides would negotiate the best possible arrangement. Neither side will be able to force the other INTO phpbb_an unwelcome arrangement. We willl have to give some ground, as will the EU. It may be that we can become a partner with EFTA and be able to negotiate an even better deal with the EU.

Either way, those 100,000 regulations aren't going to apply to British businesses any more; we will be able to choose which ones to keep. And yes, our businesses will have to meet some of their requirements for exports, but equally exports from the EU will have to meet our requirements.

And even if we had to put up with a lot of the trading restrictions, we would still have our health and safety, business, farming, fishing and immigration laws back under our own control.

daireesshallufa · 18-03-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

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Originally Posted by UKIP MAN

So go on this is your chance, Edukate me and all the other people that view this site on the reasons for staying in Europe :!: :!: :!: :!:

Thirty very good reasons for UK being full member of the E.U.:

I hope that helps.

daireesshallufa · 18-03-2005, 03:22 PM

Damn good letter UKIP man.I agree there is'nt much good to put in print about Europe D

UKIP MAN · 18-03-2005, 03:54 PM

daireesshallufa wrote:

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Damn good letter UKIP man.I agree there is'nt much good to put in print about Europe D

I think you were refering to Intbels' sarcastic remark.

which I agree with every word. :?

Or were you refering to the original post at the top of page 1?

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18-03-2005, 10:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,192 Party: None	If we left the EU, both sides would negotiate the best possible arrangement. Neither side will be able to force the other INTO phpbb_an unwelcome arrangement. We willl have to give some ground, as will the EU. It may be that we can become a partner with EFTA and be able to negotiate an even better deal with the EU. Either way, those 100,000 regulations aren't going to apply to British businesses any more; we will be able to choose which ones to keep. And yes, our businesses will have to meet some of their requirements for exports, but equally exports from the EU will have to meet our requirements. And even if we had to put up with a lot of the trading restrictions, we would still have our health and safety, business, farming, fishing and immigration laws back under our own control.

18-03-2005, 03:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
daireesshallufa Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	Damn good letter UKIP man.I agree there is'nt much good to put in print about Europe D