Why I left UKIP

[SDP]

By the same token, UK citizens have the legal right to live and work in any other EU country.

Plutonium

All 500 million EU Citizens have the legal right to live and work in Britain, should they wish to come here.

Since 2004 the average rate of settlement is 575,000 new settlers every year.

This is more than one a minute day and night for the last 7 years.

[Marilyn]

By the same token, UK citizens have the legal right to live and work in any other EU country.

No other country offers unearned benefits like the UK does .. in Europe, you'd better be able to support yourself or else. That is why the high-cost unskilled immigrant traffic is all one way .. your way.

[SDP]

Ah, but it's fair to say that the UK has on average a higher living standard than say, Romania?

Well said The Northerner.

I can remember a TV programme some years ago when they asked a gypsy village in Romania who would want to move and live to Britain given the chance.

The answer was that everyone in the whole village wanted to come to Britain.

Its all very well saying that we equally have the right to move to Romania, but nobody wants to go to Romania. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and immigrants are settling in Britain at the rate of 575,000 a year, and have been settling at this rate since 2004.

[ron]

Plutonium

UKIP need first to state their support for the working class with more specificity. Only after changing their policies on unemployment could they be worthy of the name New UKIP.

Yes you are right the the proportional representation system of the Euro Elections helps UKIP to do better in the Euro Elections. The first past the post system is very hard on small parties, but the Greens are a even smaller party than UKIP and they aleady have one MP.

Labour may have not officially changed its name to New Labour, but this was the name it used all the time during elections, and everyone thought that this was the new party name

No party the size of UKIP will ever be perfect. You are correct that UKIP carry the perception that they are a party of the wealthy. What they need though is a greater cross section of activists so I don't see the logic that leaving them to join a micro party such as SDP is better for Britain.

Socialism is not the answer for Britain and is not the answer for most other developed countries either. What is needed is the opportunity to create wealth. This drives innovation and growth and provides proper jobs. Socialists have a fantastical view of the world and neglect to understand human nature. Socialism is useful only as a transitional form of government but one the UK did without and does not need now.

[SDP]

No other country offers unearned benefits like the UK does .. in Europe, you'd better be able to support yourself or else. That is why the high-cost unskilled immigrant traffic is all one way .. your way.

Well said Marilyn

I notice that you already have 9 green dots under your name, and you have just had another rep from me.

This country has to borrow 2 billion pounds a week just to balance the books. This shows just how expensive it is to have 575,000 new immigrants settle into Britain every year. Immigration is all one way traffic, and although in theory British people can move to the poor coutries of Eastern Europe, in practice they dont want to go there.

[SDP]

No party the size of UKIP will ever be perfect. You are correct that UKIP carry the perception that they are a party of the wealthy. What they need though is a greater cross section of activists so I don't see the logic that leaving them to join a micro party such as SDP is better for Britain.

Socialism is not the answer for Britain and is not the answer for most other developed countries either. What is needed is the opportunity to create wealth. This drives innovation and growth and provides proper jobs. Socialists have a fantastical view of the world and neglect to understand human nature. Socialism is useful only as a transitional form of government but one the UK did without and does not need now.

Ron you make some very good points here.

I campaigned for UKIP for six years virtually nonstop. Was a UKIP parliamentary candidate in 2005 and 2010. For 2010 I spent thousands of pounds and put out 80,000 leaflets in my constituency. When I only got 3.5% I got discouraged, and began to believe there might be something with the name UK Independence Party.

Yes the UKIP have product recognition and this is an asset that the party has built up over the last 18 years. So yes the UKIP have a number of things going for them, and they should not lose this product recognition.

I believe that the UKIP should have stronger policies about helping the working class. UKIP never mention unemployment in their leaflets even though it is the biggest issue of the day.

Socialism means different things to different people, but generally it means policies that are aimed at at helping the working class.

[lovenationalism]

i think the thing is ideological tags dont really suit parties anymore......every party seems to have a mixture of one or the other......the old labour party were seen as more socialist than todays one but it had a back bone years ago

[ron]

...Socialism means different things to different people, but generally it means policies that are aimed at at helping the working class.

I wouldn't say that. Socialism is fairly well defined and yes it's policies do appear to help the working classes. In reality though they hamper competition, limit business growth and so have the opposite effect.

I think you have done well in your efforts before, absolutely no criticism on my part in fact quite the opposite. I just feel you could have been better off staying put. Your choice of course, good luck either way!

[Marilyn]

Thank you .. & back at you with interest :-)

Those working class British who cannot relocate to other countries, whether they wish to or not, take the brunt of this unskilled & culturally incompatible influx and have to compete with it. It is they who are having to deal with it on all levels. There is no question the UK is a magnet for all manner of undesirables because no-where else would make their lives so easy & to such an extent. Plus of course your population level is far too high, and rising.

Well said Marilyn

I notice that you already have 9 green dots under your name, and you have just had another rep from me.

This country has to borrow 2 billion pounds a week just to balance the books. This shows just how expensive it is to have 575,000 new immigrants settle into Britain every year. Immigration is all one way traffic, and although in theory British people can move to the poor coutries of Eastern Europe, in practice they dont want to go there.

[SDP]

i think the thing is ideological tags dont really suit parties anymore......every party seems to have a mixture of one or the other......the old labour party were seen as more socialist than todays one but it had a back bone years ago

lovenationalism

The voters like to put tags on political parties so they can tell at a glance if your party is for the rich or for the poor. This is where UKIP has a problem because the voters are not sure about where they stand in relation to the working class. If UKIP supports the working class then they should say this with more specificity.

The Labour party changed its constitution and removed clause 4. This means that the Labour Party nolonger believes in socialism. This made the Labour Party more popular with the middle class, but it has left the working class in no-mans-land.

Who will now speak for the working class in the British parliament.

The Lib/Lab/Con agree with each other on all the big issues such as immigration and the European Union.