Time to engage brains before mouths?

**paralreg** · 21-05-2011, 01:09 AM

With the possibility of a Scottish Independence referendum in about 5 years or so is now not the right time for all the so called "ENGLISH" parties to unite in the anticipation of a result favouring Scottish independence. Do we deserve any less than them, NO! But! It is what we will get if there is no concerted English group willing to drive this point home for 5 years to both the English people and our government. We need, not dozens of "party's", but thousands of workers out there putting the word out, NOW.

I've posted this in the One England "zone" as I could think of no "E" party able to make such an effort, indeed I am by no means sure at this time that One England can, but they do seem the best of a dubious and in some cases, a very bad lot.

**jamiemccaffery** · 21-05-2011, 08:22 AM

We have something in the pipeline and will be putting it up on our new website.
We will be working with various groups including, the ECA, CEP, J4E and advancing cordial relations with the other EN parties or their members who want to advance this common goal.

**ANGLO-STAFFS** · 21-05-2011, 09:02 AM

Please see below!

**ANGLO-STAFFS** · 21-05-2011, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by paralreg

With the possibility of a Scottish Independence referendum in about 5 years or so is now not the right time for all the so called "ENGLISH" parties to unite in the anticipation of a result favouring Scottish independence. Do we deserve any less than them, NO! But! It is what we will get if there is no concerted English group willing to drive this point home for 5 years to both the English people and our government. We need, not dozens of "party's", but thousands of workers out there putting the word out, NOW.

I've posted this in the One England "zone" as I could think of no "E" party able to make such an effort, indeed I am by no means sure at this time that One England can, but they do seem the best of a dubious and in some cases, a very bad lot.

This is a time for all 'real' English Nationalists to take great care in what we say and who/what we link to. One Englands aims are long-term.
In the past it has been shown that forming 'alliances' with parties on the fringes of acceptability is a total disaster.
In the short term it brings bad publicity and no visible benefit.
In the long term it 'flags up' the fact that the leadership of the party are willing to 'sell its soul' for the chance of electoral success.
As we have seen recently these signals have been picked up, and are being acted upon, by members of the BNP.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...iffin-isolated

This should be taken as a warning of where 'ego-led' policies end up!

**marc murray-brown** · 21-05-2011, 09:37 AM

Have said elsewhere on this forum, that whilst the cause of English Independence is a noble one, as it would be with any people longing for statehood, the electoral system in England, unlike the rest of the UK, is too anti minor (specifically patriotic) parties.There is no form of PR at any level of government outside of the EU elections. ALL attempts to progress will fail unless you plan on hanging around for the next 40 or 50 years, which is the time it took for the SNP and Plaid to become serious and successful.

Unfortunately, unlike in Wales and Scotland, where the ethnic demographics had and have hardly changed (by comparison), England's population is and has going through a demographic storm for the last 60 years, and 40 or 50 years from now, large tracts of England, particularly urban England, will have their own non-European ethnic identities with little or no interest in the concept of an old English identity orientated nation state.

Without a massive increase in the native European English population through massive birth rate increases or inward migration of former ex-pats, demographics will wipe out the English identity cause that many crave and long for on this forum throughout urban England. There is a new England being created and the old is in retreat. The process of New Yorkification is advancing apace and without halt. Politics is not going to change that in time.

**ron** · 21-05-2011, 11:23 AM

Maybe marc but if you live and work in England and pay taxes you will be just as annoyed as any other resident that you don't enjoy the same level of representation as your British neighbours in the minor nations, and also that you are significantly funding their noble policies such as free prescriptions, lower university fees etc.

Perhaps people won't care about English identity, even a lot of ethnic English aren't that fussed - that is a separate issue since there is no escaping the reality of post-devolution England and there is no reason all English residents can't unite behind reversing some of the anti-English effects. The two issues should be separate or neither have any chance of progress.

**ANGLO-STAFFS** · 21-05-2011, 02:54 PM

One England are not an 'ethnic-English' only party, we are open to ALL of the people of England, if they support our aims, objectives and beliefs.
That was the reason that we chose 'England' rather than 'English' as part of the party name.

In the fight for an English Parliament and, eventually, English independence an 'ethnic' E N party will always be self-handicapped in that they will be alienating a growing section of the population of England.

**seagull** · 21-05-2011, 03:25 PM

Not so Anglo an ethnic English party that respects other ethnic identities is not self handicapped. The EPP is also open to all the people of England who supports our aims.

**jamiemccaffery** · 21-05-2011, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by seagull

Not so Anglo an ethnic English party that respects other ethnic identities is not self handicapped. The EPP is also open to all the people of England who supports our aims.

SG, don't want to get into an argument about this, but is your party an Ethnic party, an ethno party, Broad church or a populist party?