Cornish Devolution Now

[ANGLO-STAFFS]

I am not against the people of Cornwall calling for a refferendum on devolution. I would be against an English nationalist party trying to force them to have one, as is going on in part of Wales.

I doubt they would get enough support though!

[Richard of England]

Devolution should not be just about being given a set of powers and a pile of cash to spend. With it should come responsibilities and obligations. These responsibilities and obligations should consist of standing on ones own two feet and paying ones fair share.

If Cornwall wants devolution then it has to accept there will be no handouts from the English taxpayer, an acceptance of its share of the state debt, a contribution towards the running costs of the British state, and a willingness to pay for any services it may require from England. It should also pay for any infrastructure costs as required.

I do not think any of the above is harsh. It is a fair proposal because the English taxpayer shouldn't have to subsidise yet another devolved government. If the Cornish can't hack it, they shouldn't have devolution.

[Little_Englander]

Devolution should not be just about being given a set of powers and a pile of cash to spend. With it should come responsibilities and obligations. These responsibilities and obligations should consist of standing on ones own two feet and paying ones fair share.

If Cornwall wants devolution then it has to accept there will be no handouts from the English taxpayer, an acceptance of its share of the state debt, a contribution towards the running costs of the British state, and a willingness to pay for any services it may require from England. It should also pay for any infrastructure costs as required.

I do not think any of the above is harsh. It is a fair proposal because the English taxpayer shouldn't have to subsidise yet another devolved government. If the Cornish can't hack it, they shouldn't have devolution.

All those points hit the nail on the head.

However, it should also be considered that a relatively a short while after independence, the Cornish population might end up speaking French. At least, they might learn how to cook a Cornish pasty.

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[Northumbrian]

I am not against the people of Cornwall calling for a refferendum on devolution. I would be against an English nationalist party trying to force them to have one, as is going on in part of Wales.

Only if enough people vote for them.

I doubt they would get enough support though!

So they're not forcing them, then.

[ANGLO-STAFFS]

Only if enough people vote for them.



So they're not forcing them, then.

I was refering to Cornwall! As does this thread.
Stop doing an uncles and read what the post says, not what you would like it to say.

[Northumbrian]

I was refering to Cornwall! As does this thread.
Stop doing an uncles and read what the post says, not what you would like it to say.

So are you saying:

I would be against an English nationalist party trying to force them to have one, as is going on in part of Wales.

Isn't referring to the EDP in Monmouthshire?

Do you read what you post?

[Rebirth]

The COSG flies high in the west country which doesn't reflect the EU driven lies about the want for devolution in order to help erase England. I know there are some dribbling inbreds who fear immigration, but devolution will just mean more mass immigration in order to compete with the rest of the world.

Then again, maybe that is what motivates you?

[Libertarian]

Devolution should not be just about being given a set of powers and a pile of cash to spend. With it should come responsibilities and obligations. These responsibilities and obligations should consist of standing on ones own two feet and paying ones fair share.

If Cornwall wants devolution then it has to accept there will be no handouts from the English taxpayer, an acceptance of its share of the state debt, a contribution towards the running costs of the British state, and a willingness to pay for any services it may require from England. It should also pay for any infrastructure costs as required.

I do not think any of the above is harsh. It is a fair proposal because the English taxpayer shouldn't have to subsidise yet another devolved government. If the Cornish can't hack it, they shouldn't have devolution.

You obviously completely missed the point of my earlier thread about small independent states with very few natural resources. The thing they ALL have in common is they are all highly democratic, free market and VERY VERY rich states. So If I was the new President of Kernow I would declare Kernow a low tax financial centre and move the City from Canary Wharf to Truro, then any infrastructure that was needed from elsewhere ( such as what? ) could be bought in yes. This would only be temporary whilst a single new coal fired or nuclear power station was built in Cornwall, maybe drinking water would also have to be bought in but can't think of much else. As far as military goes I'd follow Switzerland on that with an armed citizens militia

Would they have to pay a share of their debt ? Maybe, how to work it out, per head of population would be a simple calculation and easily offset by never paying for the EU, Vat, NHS or any of the other paraphernalia of quasi socialist corporate states again.

[Richard of England]

You obviously completely missed the point of my earlier thread about small independent states with very few natural resources. The thing they ALL have in common is they are all highly democratic, free market and VERY VERY rich states. So If I was the new President of Kernow I would declare Kernow a low tax financial centre and move the City from Canary Wharf to Truro, then any infrastructure that was needed from elsewhere ( such as what? ) could be bought in yes. This would only be temporary whilst a single new coal fired or nuclear power station was built in Cornwall, maybe drinking water would also have to be bought in but can't think of much else. As far as military goes I'd follow Switzerland on that with an armed citizens militia

Would they have to pay a share of their debt ? Maybe, how to work it out, per head of population would be a simple calculation and easily offset by never paying for the EU, Vat, NHS or any of the other paraphernalia of quasi socialist corporate states again.

Very odd logic. You're assuming that if you were President of Cornwall, you'd actually have the power to move the world's largest financial centre lock, stock and barrel to Truro? Have you ever visited Canary Wharf? Have you seen the scale of the operation there? Low tax rates do not necessarily mean companies relocate. Ireland has low tax rates, but the multinationals didn't all run to Dublin did they?

You also fail to take into account the support services for the financial sector, nor how many years it would take to replicate what the City does. You might get a few companies to relocate, but that's about it. And do you really think a future British or English government will idly sit by and watch you as President strip out a huge money generator? You're living in dreamland.

The rich states you cited didn't become rich overnight. It took years and years to build them up.

[Libertarian]

Very odd logic. You're assuming that if you were President of Cornwall, you'd actually have the power to move the world's largest financial centre lock, stock and barrel to Truro? Have you ever visited Canary Wharf? Have you seen the scale of the operation there? Low tax rates do not necessarily mean companies relocate. Ireland has low tax rates, but the multinationals didn't all run to Dublin did they?

You also fail to take into account the support services for the financial sector, nor how many years it would take to replicate what the City does. You might get a few companies to relocate, but that's about it. And do you really think a future British or English government will idly sit by and watch you as President strip out a huge money generator? You're living in dreamland.

The rich states you cited didn't become rich overnight. It took years and years to build them up.

Once again you show your ignorance, my list of small state countries serves a purpose. Go and research Hong Kong, Singapore and Luxembourg.

Having been a Senior Vice President in the Worlds No 1 Investment Bank I think I know a fair amount about the operation of Canary Wharf. I think I know what it would take to entice enough Banks to escape the EU regulatory framework and locate significant operations in a tax and business friendly "off shore" haven on the European continent. I know exactly what it would take to encourage the top Hedge funds to a business friendly environment.

I can tell you that I personally have the skills, expertise, knowledge and resources to set up the support infrastructure needed ( having done a large part of it for "Canary Wharf" in the first place.

Well so far the UK/British/English government HAS/IS sitting idly by while the European Union strips out and sells off ( Santander anyone) and regulates out of existence a large part of the City of London.


It doesn't take every bank in the world to relocate its HQ there it takes only basing operations there to generate large amounts of income to a small state. ( Visit the Cayman Islands for another example).


The benefits that a fully independent Cornwall has are enormous if managed in the right way. The same could equally apply to Wales, Scotland or the Republic of Ireland. Oh and the reason the Banks didn't relocate to Dublin en masse is because Dublin in case you didn't know is also in the European Union.

Before you mention it I know Luxembourg is in the EU too, but they specialise in an area of Finance that so far the EU has not meddled with.