Nick Hogan and Colin Denby

[skeptyk]

Hi Steve, thanks for your response. Glad to read that you are well. I have to say that the first thing that stood out for me is your description of Greg Lance Watkins as 'wickedly accurate'. I think the first two syllables sufficed in your description of GLW but no matter. Judging by your links to Watkins' Ison blog and your description of it, would it be possible that you may be a source for this blog?

Anyway, I think IUKIP is on the nose with his statements on Watkins. To read of Watkins' 'grooming' of people who have fallen out with UKIP is actually as sad as it is infuriating. Seeing how people like John West and Justin Adams have had their lives ruined and then casually discarded by Watkins is absolutely maddening. Anyway, it would appear to that Colin Denby could be the latest person to be groomed by Watkins - there is an almost tedious inevitability to that relationship ever since Denby left UKIP.

Going back to smoking for a moment, I can understand why people are so in favour of the ban because of examples you've provided. One downside to the smoking ban has been that pubs now smell absolutely awful - my own local in the village was completely re-fitted after the ban came in but they cannot get rid of the stench of the old days. Personally, if there were signs in pub windows that said 'You may smoke here', I could live with that - it might cause me to walk past said pub but I like having a choice. Its certainly better than the current situation where one will inevitably have to slalom through the 'snoutcasts' before one even gets into a pub.

[Steve Morson]

...Judging by your links to Watkins' Ison blog and your description of it, would it be possible that you may be a source for this blog?

Hi Skep. Well, of course, I was only referring to the particular blog I referenced. The rest I don’t know about, and in almost all cases never have (or will) visit. Bogs (sic, remember!?) and forums are places I rarely lurk.

Your assumption (of me being a GL-W source) is fairly logical, circumstantially feasible, and insultingly wrong. He told me that he has a wealth of material – including photo’s (I have only 1!), “…to keep going for quite some time”. Therefore, he must’ve accumulated it before he contacted me. Where did all that come from? I have contributed nothing, yet his info and opinions in that one blog are spot on! I have absolutely no contact with GL-W.

Please re-read this ("...completely out-of-the-blue..."). GL-W called me, and read – verbatim – 3 statements from 2 personal e-mails from Mr. Ison to me containing stupid accusations. They’d apparently been sent to a “…wide, but selective list of people…”, and that included / ended up with, Watkins. So “Mr.” Ison is a source of GL-W, not me. Does that clarify matters?

I am prepared to reveal that I was also a recipient of the e-mail Ison sent to Mark Croucher (a year ago), the header of which appeared on here briefly, but I had absolutely nothing to do with that. (He sends personal text messages and e-mails all over the place, so who knows where it came from?) He sent a text message to a mutual friend stating: "...looks like Steve has jumped ship to Nikki's camp.", and making out I was the source of that BDF post. So moronically wrong, but it provided him with an opportunity for more back-stabbing, so it was circulated as fact among the party seniors at Scarborough, with whom he seemed to be enjoying company. This was after he sent another text message to the same friend, accusing me of being the source of the leak to GL-W.... of smears and lies about me! Mental health issues?

I’ve no idea what link GL-W is meant to have with Justin Adams? I’ve heard a little more about the Colin Denby matter that would indicate that the correct action was taken.

‘Snoutcasts’ – love it! Yes, I see what you mean. But my local, just yards up the road, is a great pub, lovely Victorian red brick exterior, recently redecorated with a light ambience and modern furniture, and a seriously quaffable pint of Wye Valley HPA. And blissfully smoke free.

[Steve Morson]

For someone exceptionally well you sure don't sound it Steve....

An asinine overture to the worst nonsense I’ve read in ages. No wonder no-one visits here much anymore.

To be honest, the combination of the writing style, the inability to read / absorb material and then discuss an established point, and once cornered or being countered on a point to keep changing the subject, is all déjà vu to me. Been here before with “someone else”, and it is as futile now as it was then. Curious.

You: “Anyone who associates with Lance-Watkins should not have any part to play with UKIP.”

Me: “Does that include John Ison…?“

You: ….well….basically, go off on one, big style, making all sorts of very odd and contrived assumptions for someone so…‘detached’. But most interestingly, you refuse to answer the question. In fact, change the subject completely and take the thread off-topic. Curioser!

As proven, “Mr.” Ison is a source of GL-W. For who’s purpose? No doubt you will now defend him.

I assume we’ve never met, yet you attempted to traduce my loyalty and dedication to the party, and made an irredeemable fool of yourself by comparing Bromsgrove and Solihull candidates in the local elections as a petty-minded and uninformed snipe. You were heavily rebutted with a barrage of facts, and reply with the most adolescent response imaginable. This is the problem with pontificating from a position of ignorance.

If I was interested – and I’m not, I’d like to know how someone who is “…just a regular nobody with no connection to the West Midlands…” can “…know how many candidates SAMRA has and the background of some them (sic)….”. SAMRA is a highly localised party in Solihull and Meriden – some people living there may not know it exists. But you do. In “London”. And curiouser! The candidates? People who live in glass….oh, what’s the point?

If the witless hagiographers of your idol wish to use this forum for beatification to prepare for his ascendancy to the 2014 MEP list, expect fierce challenges. We (those committed to the party, not our own advancement / enrichment) will repair the region, and as for the determinedly vicious and disturbing 'back-stabbings', I’m currently exploring ways - with offers of support - of addressing the damage done to my reputation through the courts. West Midlands Police are investigating him actively, and I doubt Nikki Sinclaire will forgive him for attempting to destroy her with a pile of “MBE”. Sounds like his solicitor’s going to be busy!

[Independent UKIP]

You will doubtless disagree with me but I believe you're just making yourself look foolish Steve. And for no reason.

As you can't make your mind up whether I'm from London or the West Midlands I'm happy for the mods to say (I assume they have this info) whether I have ever logged on this forum from the West Midlands and whether I usually log on from London. And just in case I'm happy for them to say whether I have ever logged on here from Belgium.

If that is sorted I may find time to respond to your post more fully later on.

[Richard Allen]

You will doubtless disagree with me but I believe you're just making yourself look foolish Steve. And for no reason.

On the contrary Steve has posted a number of very salient points. Like many in the West Midlands he witnessed first hand the duplicity and scheming of John Ison and has understandably reached the conclusion that Mr Ison sullies UKIP's name by his presence in the party.

[Independent UKIP]

On the contrary Steve has posted a number of very salient points. Like many in the West Midlands he witnessed first hand the duplicity and scheming of John Ison and has understandably reached the conclusion that Mr Ison sullies UKIP's name by his presence in the party.

Unless these opinions about him are a complete revelation I would imagine he's laughing his head off at this discussion.

As far as I'm aware the main point of my post hasn't been dealt with and in fairness to Mr Morson I don't think it helpful to continue our discussion until there is an appreciation by him that I am not John Ison or a resident of the West Midlands who idolises John Ison.

[chocolate_croissant]

I have read that article, it seems this Denby man (who is in desperate need of a acne cure) claims he was allegedly making racist comments. Is there any actual proof of this pizza face man saying these comments? Nick Hogan (he is related Hulk Hogan?) goes running his mouth without facts. If evidence was provided, then I can understand why his membership was removed..... init

[Independent UKIP]

If evidence was provided, then I can understand why his membership was removed..... init

I don't think it is questioned that Mr Denby said words which caused his difficulty. What those words were has not yet come into the public domain ie not from Denby or Hogan.

[Richard Allen]

Unless these opinions about him are a complete revelation I would imagine he's laughing his head off at this discussion.

As far as I'm aware the main point of my post hasn't been dealt with and in fairness to Mr Morson I don't think it helpful to continue our discussion until there is an appreciation by him that I am not John Ison or a resident of the West Midlands who idolises John Ison.

If Mr Ison wishes to "laugh his head off" over the damage he has done to UKIP in the West Midlands then that says a lot about him.

As for your identity, one of the perils about posting anonymously is that people might falsely assume you to be someone who you are not. I am afraid that I cannot help you on this subject as IP addresses are not a reliable way of determining where someone is posting from. For example I have made two posts to this forum using my Blackberry and each has a different IP address. The first one traces to Yorkshire and the second one to Norway.

[Independent UKIP]

If Mr Ison wishes to "laugh his head off" over the damage he has done to UKIP in the West Midlands then that says a lot about him.

If Mr Ison is laughing his head off it would be about the very silly discussion about him on here. I don't suppose he believes he has done any damage to UKIP in the West Midlands. If that were his belief he wouldn't think very highly of himself which I presume he does.

As for your identity, one of the perils about posting anonymously is that people might falsely assume you to be someone who you are not. I am afraid that I cannot help you on this subject as IP addresses are not a reliable way of determining where someone is posting from. For example I have made two posts to this forum using my Blackberry and each has a different IP address. The first one traces to Yorkshire and the second one to Norway.

I haven't asked you to reveal my identity, as you know. You're quite correct that some might wrongly believe anon posters to be people they are not - skeptyk has had multiple claims in that regard. That reality, naturally, was the reason for my request to the mods of this forum - not just you Richard. I don't have a blackberry so don't know anything about them. I believe you know where I typically post from - the same place I have posted from for several years - which is nowhere near the West Midlands. Quite why you wish to keep Mr Morson in the dark about that I cannot imagine. If you had reason to believe I did regularly logon from the West Midlands I don't think you would have had any compunction in acceding to my request.

If you and other mods are unwilling to help Mr Morson appreciate that which I would like him to appreciate I only hope his suggested legal action against Mr Ison doesn't try to involve me. Mr Morson will look like a vindictive fool, cause me probable destitution and Mr Ison will come up looking like roses. Which leads me back to the beginning about Mr Ison laughing his head off at this discussion.