The EUC's position on being English.

[cassie]

Thats ok. What you have to remember is that the EUC is a broad church organisation with a lot of different opinions

You still didn't answer my question. Which was most informative

Mr Rob doesn't answer questions. He merely makes assertions ~ many unsubstantiated ~ and asks questions.


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[Mr Rob]

Mr Rob you asked me personally my opinion. You then failed to answer my question. The EUC is, as said made up of individuals from the various strands of English Nationalism. We work for unity. You obviously work for division

Fine, so you personally baulk at calling immigrants English, even if they want to be, whereas the EUC would not. It was a very simple question to answer without avoiding it with a counter question, my answer to which would be that if I were a member of a party seeking independence for Scotland, I would call anyone Scottish who wanted to be called so - I doubt they would vote for my party otherwise.

You can try snide insults Seagull, but you are inconsistent, and thus appear dishonest. Little Englander, if he will forgive me for descibing what I believe to be his view, wants the existence and rights of those he terms the indigenous English to be recognised, and would give equality of rights to those he would term civic English. That is an honest position from which he has not varied, and he is willing to confer Englishness upon those who are not in his view indigenous. That could work - it is fraught with difficulty over definition of indigenous, but it is a consistent position.

You, however, at times speak for the EUC giving the impression that its view of Englishness is a civic one, although you started out saying you would recognise the indigenous English but then deleted the statement. However, when speaking in a personal capacity, you cannot bring yourself to confer the name English on people who would be descibed as civic English. You bend this way and that in the breeze.

By all means continue with the snide remarks, and gather those who are not too bright to support you - it might make you feel good on here, but it won't help.

[Mr Rob]

No, the crux of the matter is whether they support English culture and identity. So [too] many in England do not!

No, that had already been stated as a given condition in Seagul''s post #3 - please try to keep up.

[seagull]

Fine, so you personally baulk at calling immigrants English, even if they want to be, whereas the EUC would not. It was a very simple question to answer without avoiding it with a counter question, my answer to which would be that if I were a member of a party seeking independence for Scotland, I would call anyone Scottish who wanted to be called so - I doubt they would vote for my party otherwise.

You can try snide insults Seagull, but you are inconsistent, and thus appear dishonest. Little Englander, if he will forgive me for descibing what I believe to be his view, wants the existence and rights of those he terms the indigenous English to be recognised, and would give equality of rights to those he would term civic English. That is an honest position from which he has not varied, and he is willing to confer Englishness upon those who are not in his view indigenous. That could work - it is fraught with difficulty over definition of indigenous, but it is a consistent position.

You, however, at times speak for the EUC giving the impression that its view of Englishness is a civic one, although you started out saying you would recognise the indigenous English but then deleted the statement. However, when speaking in a personal capacity, you cannot bring yourself to confer the name English on people who would be descibed as civic English. You bend this way and that in the breeze.

By all means continue with the snide remarks, and gather those who are not too bright to support you - it might make you feel good on here, but it won't help.

It all depends on what you mean by English. An immigrant cannot be English in an ethnic sense but can in a civic sense if they so wish.

[Mr Rob]

It all depends on what you mean by English. An immigrant cannot be English in an ethnic sense but can in a civic sense if they so wish.

Shame you did not think to say so originally.

[seagull]

Shame you did not think to say so originally.

I thought I did so in post 3. My apologies that i did not make my self clear. You see Mr Rob I am just an ordinary English man. I am not a politician and nor do I have ambitions to be one. All I want is to see unity among English nationalist so that we can all work together.

[Mr Rob]

I thought I did so in post 3. My apologies that i did not make my self clear. You see Mr Rob I am just an ordinary English man. I am not a politician and nor do I have ambitions to be one. All I want is to see unity among English nationalist so that we can all work together.

No, in post #3 you said you would not condemn them....rather different from calling them English. So I specifically asked you, and you specifically avoided the question.

You don't have to be a politician, or even an aspiring one, to say clearly what you mean - I hope you don't think it beyond the capablilities of "ordinary" Englishmen, it seems a very strange explanation to give for not managing to do it.

[seagull]

No, in post #3 you said you would not condemn them....rather different from calling them English. So I specifically asked you, and you specifically avoided the question.

You don't have to be a politician, or even an aspiring one, to say clearly what you mean - I hope you don't think it beyond the capablilities of "ordinary" Englishmen, it seems a very strange explanation to give for not managing to do it.

I thought I did but hey ho lets continue to split hairs shall we.

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It all depends on what you mean by English. An immigrant cannot be English in an ethnic sense but can in a civic sense if they so wish.

So if we, us, you, I, the EUC etc, drop the civic/ethnic labels all of the people of England can call themselves English if they so wish!
That is the basis for a broad church organisation.
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[cassie]

No, that had already been stated as a given condition in Seagul''s post #3 - please try to keep up.

Yes, it IS as I stated! Here is Post#3 with the relevant part bolded:

I am English.I Can prove my ancestry and have an anglo saxon name. Do I condemn people who can't but wish to support our culture and identity of course i don't

Doubtless the principle involved here will suffer your usual nit-picky treatment: Ears to hear and understand

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