The EDL are 'Scumbags'

[philjuliard]

"So you say. But, first, there must be evidence of what you claim is occurring for the police to act upon. This is obviously not there. This is anti-Muslim BNP propaganda."

Even Searclight say there is an untackled problem with this in West Yorkshire. I have also seen examples of it first hand in my area when I was a youth worker.

"It seems that most paedophiles that are caught by police operations are white and male. They are organised on the Internet."

A completely irrelevant point when I already said explicitly that I was not seeking to make out paedophilia is a Muslim problem. To reiterate, there is a problem which is not being tackled. That is all I am saying. For the third time, now.

"I know perferctly well what goes on in other areas because I travel quite often."

I think you have to live in such sreas to apprciate what goes on. Browsing the local evening paper is not enough.

"Sharia law can not be imposed upon non-Muslims because it is fior Muslims only. Sharia law is based on the Holy Qur'an, the teachings of God. You may be an atheist and say, well, that is all rubbish anyway, but to the faithful it is a different matter altogether. The burning of the Satanic Verses originated from a fatwah by a leading Iranian cleric. Not from anyone in Britain."

A paragraph full of irrelevant information that doesn't tackle any points raised. The fact remains: there are those who want to impose Sharia on us. They are the same people who have lovely placards saying 'Islam will rule the World' and various things 'Go to Hell'.

The fact that the Fatwah was handed down by Ayatolloah Khomeni is also irrelevant. There were still Muslims here who wanted the law changed, there was a judicial review of the decision not to prosecute and there are STILL people who would kill Rushdie on sight. There was another bunch of people who were fond on public book burning. I think they were quite famous in the 1930s and 1940s in Germany.

Such feelings and behaviours are not consistent with our democracy and this affair was an early warning of what was to follow, with people seeking to impose their orthodoxy on the rest of the UK.

"You have a problem with your keyboard because your 's' becomes stuck. Our gallant lads on duty in places like Iraq and Afghanistan should not be there. They are dying for American oil executives. The problems in that region have now been exacerbated as a result."

Another paragraph which doesn't answer my question.

In relation to me asking you to provide evidence that Istael has misslies lined up against EU cities, you say:

"It is on the Internet. Search for it."

It is for YOU to provide evidence for you assertions. So, I am suspecting that you cannot evidence this point, old boy.

[Endangered]

Endangered is using lie and distortion. First, I did not say all paedophiles are white men nor has anyone else claimed that.

No, you just said that "most" paedos are white men. We don't know what the real percentage is because we in Britain don't have something like PEEJ for any real facts. But the statement "nor has anyone else claimed that." is a lie. As I said, lefty marxist academia peddle the line that "most paedos are white men".

Second, we are discussing the situation in Britain.

The position in the United States bears no relation to what goes on here.

Absolute rubbish. White America is suffering the same problems we face here. Economic discrimination, cultural destruction, educational brainwashing of the young and race-replacement through mass immigration. What a pathetic old fraud you are. No wonder you love hanging out at Lancaster Unity so much.

[Robert Edwards]

Absolute rubbish. White America is suffering the same problems we face here. Economic discrimination, cultural destruction, educational brainwashing of the young and race-replacement through mass immigration. What a pathetic old fraud you are. No wonder you love hanging out at Lancaster Unity so much.

I repeat, we are discussing problems in Britain. In specific cities in the North of England, wasn't it?
Try to refrain from abuse.

[Robert Edwards]

Another paragraph which doesn't answer my question.
In relation to me asking you to provide evidence that Istael has misslies lined up against EU cities, you say:
"It is on the Internet. Search for it."
It is for YOU to provide evidence for you assertions. So, I am suspecting that you cannot evidence this point, old boy.

Israeli Professor - 'We Could
Destroy All European Capitals'
By Nadim Ladki
2-6-3

(IAP News) -- An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans.

Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons.

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force."

Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, pointed out that "collective deportation" was Israel's only meaningful strategy towards the Palestinian people.

"The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent."

Creveld said he was sure that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to deport the Palestinians.

"I think it's quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed."

Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state if it carried out a genocidal deportation against Palestinians, Creveld quoted former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan who said "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."

Creveld argued that Israel wouldn't care much about becoming a rogue state.

"Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under."

Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)

[philjuliard]

Not a very reputable source, Robert.

Anyway, what about my other points?

[Robert Edwards]

Not a very reputable source, Robert. Anyway, what about my other points?

A source, nevertheless. Your judgement of it is predictable.
Your other points? What other points? Sharia law is not imposed on anyone. I say again, it does not apply to non-Muslims. How many times do I have to say this? It is not imposed on non-Muslims.
The fatwah against Rushdie is an Islamic issue and does not concern non-Muslims. The burning of his book is no way on the same scale as Nazi book burning. We are talking about one book not a long list.
"Such feelings and behaviours are not consistent with our democracy"? Of course they are. They are public demonstrations of displeasure at a perceived blasphemer. It is perfectly consistent with principles of public demonstration within a democracy.
I do not have to live in an area to appreciate the problems of that area. I did not need to live in New Orleans to understand the devastation there and I do not need to live in Pakistan to understand the enormous human tragedy there. Your argument is entirely spurious. What you are trying to do here is discount my opinions on the basis of geographical location.

[philjuliard]

Allow me to break it down for you:

1. Whether Sharia is for Muslims only or not, there are those that want to impose it on all of us. If what you say is correct, then the inexorable conclusion is that they want to impose their religion on us. Do you think these people hould be opposed?

2. To say the Rushdie issue does not concern non-Muslims is ignorant beyond belief. These people wanted laws passed so the book could be banned, which is diammetrically opposed to our liberal democracy. They sought judicial review of the decision not to prosecute. They burnt books in the street, something Hitler also did. Ergo, they sought to impose their values on us. Do you think this should be opposed?

3. Burning books is, indeed a freedom of expression. But do you nor see the danger behind this expression, namely, that these people were using that liberty to attempt to curtail the liberties of the rest of us? How democractic is THAT, particularly when considered with point 2, above?

4. My argument is not spurious. You can understand the issues in New Orleans because they are adequately reported. Even so, you cannot fully appreciate the situation, but let that go.

You DO need to live in places where there are multiracial problems to understand the fear, no-go areas, mistrust etc that are NEVER reported on. Have a walk down the Stratford Road in Birmingham after dusk, if you travel so much, and let me know how you get on.

5. Lastly, what do you think about people like the one behind this lovely video? What happened was that groups of Muslims went picking off anybpdy white. You can clearly see the EDL assembled outside a building with a Police cordon. The 'EDL member' who was attacked (and robbed) really does not look like one. He looks like the typical early 20s student type that Birmingham has many of. And, if he was EDL, why would he be walking the streets when his cronies had a static demo elsewhere?

I ask you because you support such people, so I am interested in your views.
YouTube - phengbud's Channel

[Robert Edwards]

Sharia law can not be imposed on non-Muslims ... period. You need to be a Muslim in order to have recourse to Sharia law ... simple as that.

Right. I have watched the video and all I can say is, you play with fire and you get burned.

[philjuliard]

Sharia law can not be imposed on non-Muslims ... period. You need to be a Muslim in order to have recourse to Sharia law ... simple as that.

Right. I have watched the video and all I can say is, you play with fire and you get burned.

Ergo, they must be seeking to impose their religion on us and force us all to become Muslims. For the 4th time: should such people be opposed?

What about my other arguments?

Your comment about playing with fire is ridiculous. So, someone who appears to be on his own, walking around a city on a Saturday afternoon is playing with fire?

You complete moron.

[Robert Edwards]

Ergo, they must be seeking to impose their religion on us and force us all to become Muslims. For the 4th time: should such people be opposed?
What about my other arguments?
Your comment about playing with fire is ridiculous. So, someone who appears to be on his own, walking around a city on a Saturday afternoon is playing with fire?
You complete moron.

Islam is a proselytising religion but according to the Qur'an it can not be forced on anyone. People must come to it of their own volition otherwise it is not a true conversion.
I do not believe in attacking anyone on grounds of religion.
Anyone can watch that video and place their own interpretation on it.
Goodbye, philjuliard.