Anti-EU Slogan Competition

[internetcynic]

My slogan

The EU is trying to destroy our parliament at Westminster and replace it with an EU federal government based in Brussels.

You underestimate the problem.

The Plan for the United States of Greater Germany requires the complete destruction of all national identities, the complete destruction of all national parliaments, and the annexation of all member states into a Greater Germany. This is the same plan as from the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, World War One, and World War Two. Its the same old plan of a united europe under German orders, as talked about by Hindenburg, Moltke (both of them), and Hitler

Helmuth_Karl_Bernhard_von_Moltke.jpg
Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke
The first German Federalist

[internetcynic]

Jacques Roman

Clearly we do not agree on the definition of what is an independent state.

1/ The EU call us member states, and not member countries.
2/ 90% of all European Law is made by the EU.
3/ There are no border controls within the EU.
4/ 500 million people can move around the EU totally unrestricted.
5/ The Euopean Central Bank sets interest rates.
6/ The Stability and Growth Pact controls government spending
7/ Countries using the euro cannot devalue their own currency to help exports
8/ Countries using the euro can use quantitiative easing to boost demand in the economy
9/ Countries using the euro do not have full control any of the levers that control economies
10/ Many euro zone coutries rely on bailouts for their existance

Dictionary Definitions of Independent
Please look up independent in your dictionary. There are many aspects of being independent but it is all about not relying on others for your existance, and being financially independent.

Countries in the euro zone cannot claim to be fully financially independent. Can a boy say he is independent of his parents, if he relies on his parents completely for all his money? A boy can only say he is independent of his parents, when he earns enough to be financially independent of them.

Its no coincidence Hitler’s Deutsche Verteiderungs Dienst Intelligence Department (DVD) still controls EU development.

[SDP]

You underestimate the problem.

The Plan for the United States of Greater Germany requires the complete destruction of all national identities, the complete destruction of all national parliaments, and the annexation of all member states into a Greater Germany. This is the same plan as from the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, World War One, and World War Two. Its the same old plan of a united europe under German orders, as talked about by Hindenburg, Moltke (both of them), and Hitler


Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke
The first German Federalist

Well said internetcynic

How ever you look at it we live in a German dominated Europe.
Adolf Hitler would have been very pleased with this result.

[SDP]

To help you a bit, SDP, here are the IMF Agreement provisions relating to membership:

Article II: Membership

Section 1. Original members
The original members of the Fund shall be those of the countries represented at the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference whose governments accept membership before December 31, 1945.

Section 2. Other members
Membership shall be open to other countries at such times and in accordance with such terms as may be prescribed by the Board of Governors. These terms, including the terms for subscriptions, shall be based on principles consistent with those applied to other countries that are already members.

Is it your view that any of the Eurozone countries did not satisfy those conditions? And if so, which ones? JR

Jacques Roman

But this IMF agreement was made in 1945, and therefore it makes no reference to the European Union. The European Union is a unique political set up. Within the EU member countries pass almost all their sovereignty over to unelected commissioners. Does this make them still eligible or not for IMF help ?
Well only a lawyer could sort that out.

I would personally argue that because the EU is not specifially mentioned in the 1945 agreement, therefore members of the EU are not eligible for IMF help. Its like and insurance policy. It only covers what it say it covers on the tin. Anything not mentioned in the insurance policy would need special cover, and maybe and extra premium to cover the danger of that loss.

Lets say you put an atomic power station in your garden and it blew up. You could not argue that they never said you couldn't do it. No a new unique hazzard would require extra cost and be specifically named in the insurance policy.

The IMF should not be bailing the PIGS as they are nolonger independent nations

[Jacques Roman]

I would personally argue that because the EU is not specifially mentioned in the 1945 agreement, therefore members of the EU are not eligible for IMF help. Its like and insurance policy. It only covers what it say it covers on the tin. Anything not mentioned in the insurance policy would need special cover, and maybe and extra premium to cover the danger of that loss.

Lets say you put an atomic power station in your garden and it blew up. You could not argue that they never said you couldn't do it. No a new unique hazzard would require extra cost and be specifically named in the insurance policy.

The IMF should not be bailing the PIGS as they are nolonger independent nations

SDP, you are absolutely free "personally to argue" whatever you like to.

However, your personal position is not supported by the IMF member states, nor, apparently, are you able to point to any relevant provision in the IMF Articles of Agreement.

If belonging to an intergovernmental organisation such as the EU were to be considered as disqualifying on the ground of loss of independence, then all member states of the United Nations should equally disqualify on that ground in view of Article 104 of the UN Charter providing as follows: "In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Member of the United Nations under this Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the Charter shall prevail".

Under your definition, none of the UN member states could be considered as "independent" and none, consequently, should be entitled to IMF assistance. Which would be absurd. JR

[SDP]

SDP, you are absolutely free "personally to argue" whatever you like to.

However, your personal position is not supported by the IMF member states, nor, apparently, are you able to point to any relevant provision in the IMF Articles of Agreement.

If belonging to an intergovernmental organisation such as the EU were to be considered as disqualifying on the ground of loss of independence, then all member states of the United Nations should equally disqualify on that ground in view of Article 104 of the UN Charter providing as follows: "In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Member of the United Nations under this Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the Charter shall prevail".

Under your definition, none of the UN member states could be considered as "independent" and none, consequently, should be entitled to IMF assistance. Which would be absurd. JR

Jacques Roman

The USA and China are refusing to make their share of the additional contributions to the IMF, because they consider that bailing out the euro is beyond the normal remit of the IMF.

The two biggest economies in the world USA and China agree, that members of the doomed euro zone should not be bailed out by the IMF. And if the IMF wants to go down that road, they want no part of it.

The IMF should not be bailing the PIGS as they are nolonger independent nations

[rjt]

Jacques Roman

The USA and China are refusing to make their share of the additional contributions to the IMF, because they consider that bailing out the euro is beyond the normal remit of the IMF.

The two biggest economies in the world USA and China agree, that members of the doomed euro zone should not be bailed out by the IMF. And if the IMF wants to go down that road, they want no part of it.

The IMF should not be bailing the PIGS as they are nolonger independent nations

The Euro should have not one penny more financial assistance and should face the markets without any more assistance, if it is strong enough it will survive, if not it will sink and good riddence.

[internetcynic]

The Euro should have not one penny more financial assistance and should face the markets without any more assistance, if it is strong enough it will survive, if not it will sink and good riddence.

Silly sod.

The whole point of this is that the banks engineered the collapse, and the banks have bought themselves a slice of world domination. The Eu can function very well even nearly bankrupt, in fact even more so, since it can literally hold the member states to ransom. The EU doesn't NEED to control national parliaments, all it needs to do is control the money supply and own the debts thereof. This plan is the fourth reboot of the plan for the United States of Greater Germany, this one, unlike the first three, doesnt use war, it uses financial control. Having the nations of Europe needing to be bailed out suits the Bilderbergers to a tee. Once we are a slave state we can all simply be worked harder and taxed harder to recoup it all.

[SDP]

The Euro should have not one penny more financial assistance and should face the markets without any more assistance, if it is strong enough it will survive, if not it will sink and good riddence.

Wise words rjt

Money spent bailing out the euro is sending good money after bad. Britain should not spend a penny more on this doomed euro currency project.

The IMF should not be bailing the PIGS as they are nolonger independent nations

[SDP]

To fight unemployment, we must first smash the evil grip of that the European Union has around the throat of the British government.