The True History of Monmouthshire (English County)

[cassie]

For me being a Welshman residing in historic county of Monmouthshire, i do believe that the EDP's case of Monmouthshire(historic) being english is one of a lost cause. Though i do not hate the EDP in all entireties this campaign is stupid and ludicrous. Do you believe that the people of Blanau Gwent, Newport and Torfaen would honestly consider being english -i have yet to here of anybody complaining of the counties being in wales. There would need to be above 50% to succeed in this campaign which is plain dumb on the edps part. Though i do consider the historic county being not greatly welsh in culture, that does not mean these people are any less welsh just like the bangladeshy majority residing in tower hamlets, london. I do consider though that the county of Monmouth might have a case to argue, even if you do forget it was once considered part of the kingdom of gwent with the border being offas dyke. I think this campaign is some sort of ploy to grow the party into public attention.

Perhaps being a Welshman enables you to misunderstand and therefore misrepresent the case, which does not depend upon Monmouthshire being, as you claim, "English".

Quite simply, Monmouthshire was part of EnglAND until 1974 when the Local Government Act 1972 came into force. Comprenez?

I wouldn't necessarily say that Monmouthshire was English anymore than I would say the England Cricket Team or Football Teams were English, especially when one considers the individuals comprising them.

The amount of unreasonable opposition to the holding of a referendum on the question suggests that the people of Wales are not as democratic as they would like the rest of us to believe. It seems very much a case of "How dare English people suggest such a thing, in Wales too!" More like anti-Englishness from my position.

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[jamiemccaffery]

But how can it be anti Englishness, the vast majority believe they are Welsh so it is a pointless exercise. By all means keep pushing for a referendum, I doubt you will get one and if you did you will not get the results you are expecting.
Pointless endeavour in retrospect is it not?

[jamiemccaffery]

No, I'm not saying that, and nor do I agree with your analysis.

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Sorry cassie, but you passed the Mandy test. You would say that but I applaud your loyalty.

[cassie]

But how can it be anti Englishness, the vast majority believe they are Welsh so it is a pointless exercise. By all means keep pushing for a referendum, I doubt you will get one and if you did you will not get the results you are expecting.
Pointless endeavour in retrospect is it not?

You seem unable to grasp the point that the issue is about territory, not whether its occupants are English or Welsh.

Monmouthshire, rightly or wrongly, was part of England. England has never had a referendum about any of its issues. Both Scotland and Wales have had two each and Northern Ireland more.

It seems bizarre to me that any English person would be arguing against a referendum for voters in England, but then, perhaps that goes much of the way to explaining why England does not have her own parliament!

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[jamiemccaffery]

But Monmouthshire is in Wales now , what has that to do with referendum for England. Bizarre is arguing for a referendum in a territory in another country.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one cassie, as an English nationalist I feel any party that has English nationalism at its core, its time would be better spent spending time and resource in getting local candidates in England elected.

[ANGLO-STAFFS]

'Monmouthshire' is part of Wales!

About forty years ago the UK government redrew the borders and included the county within Wales, without asking the people.

This was a reversal of what happened about 400 years ago when the English government redrew the borders and included the county within England, without asking the people.

If the people of Monmouthshire want a referendum then it is up to the people of the four Welsh CBCs, which now cover most of the old county, to push for one. (They have shown NO signs of wanting that as yet.)

A referendum should not be forced upon them by the dictat of a couple of people in Kent and Essex.

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[cassie]

'Monmouthshire' is part of Wales!

About forty years ago the UK government redrew the borders and included the county within Wales, without asking the people.

This was a reversal of what happened about 400 years ago when the English government redrew the borders and included the county within England, without asking the people.

If the people of Monmouthshire want a referendum then it is up to the people of the four Welsh CBCs, which now cover most of the old county, to push for one. (They have shown NO signs of wanting that as yet.)

A referendum should not be forced upon them by the dictat of a couple of people in Kent and Essex.

You lost this thread some time ago. Anyway, who cares what you think.


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[president]

Wales became a principality in 1216, by the first prince of Wales. Wales was unified by 1275.

Prior to that the Welsh were fairly tribal, different groups living side by side.

As being English, I do recognise that parts of West England were a part of Wales, but the English kingdom took that over, just like an other big territory would.

I personally believe that the territories that make up this island today as it stands should be left alone.

But History is history, but I would prefere not to add or lose, or change anything like this. It makes me feel a little nervous.

[Sparky1983]

I agree with you on that president. Why fix it when it`s not broken.