The True History of Monmouthshire (English County)

[George Ireland]

Check it out then come back to me.

Personally I'd rather give the people of Monmouthshire the choice in a referendum, I don't believe in ethnic supremacy over 'historically this has more of a claim than this' otherwise the Irish could claim Scotland and we'd be going back in circles over and over again, the point is that it doesn't matter if I'm right - fundamentally it doesn't matter, as it is not we who will decide their future.

[Steve Uncles]

I suggest you look at the Claim of Sir Fynwy between about the 5th and 10th centuries first before making crazy claims. I think the Welsh have more claims to English lands than what you do.

So are you disputing that the British Government considered Monmouthshire to be an English County, and indeed up until 1974 the English-Welsh border was shown to the West of Monmouthshire on Ordanance Survey Maps ?

[ANGLO-STAFFS]

So are you disputing that the British Government considered Monmouthshire to be an English County, and indeed up until 1974 the English-Welsh border was shown to the West of Monmouthshire on Ordanance Survey Maps ?

Borders change over time.

One of Mr Uncles favourite sayings goes something like
"If you feel English in your heart you are English".

Does the same apply to Welsh?

Did the people of Abersychan or Ebbr Vale ever feel English? I don't know.

But there was no mass uprising when the 'transfer to Wales' was made.

The people of Monmouthshire have elected Plaid Cymru councillors.
The EDP have never even been in the possition to be able to offer them the chance to vote for EDP candidates.

The good people of Monmouthshire did not boycott the elections for the Welsh Assembly in 2007. (Just the 'English' EDP candidates).

Mr Uncles, I am not arguing against your campaign just for the sake of it. I really do not think that it is a good idea for the EDP. It will divert people away from what is the BUSSIEST year of the English four-year electoral cycle.

For the people of Monmouthshire to 'return' to England they would have to give up a lot of benefits that the people of England do not receive.

It is a well-known fact that turkeys do not vote for Christmas.
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PS. I honestly do not give a toss what certain non-members of the EDP think of me.

Animal noises are no substitute for debate though they may be a substitute for a faltering mental process.
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[cassie]

Borders change over time.

One of Mr Uncles favourite sayings goes something like
"If you feel English in your heart you are English".

Does the same apply to Welsh?

Did the people of Abersychan or Ebbr Vale ever feel English? I don't know.

But there was no mass uprising when the 'transfer to Wales' was made.

The people of Monmouthshire have elected Plaid Cymru councillors.
The EDP have never even been in the possition to be able to offer them the chance to vote for EDP candidates.

The good people of Monmouthshire did not boycott the elections for the Welsh Assembly in 2007. (Just the 'English' EDP candidates).

Mr Uncles, I am not arguing against your campaign just for the sake of it. I really do not think that it is a good idea for the EDP. It will divert people away from what is the BUSSIEST year of the English four-year electoral cycle.

For the people of Monmouthshire to 'return' to England they would have to give up a lot of benefits that the people of England do not receive.

It is a well-known fact that turkeys do not vote for Christmas.
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PS. I honestly do not give a toss what certain non-members of the EDP think of me.

Animal noises are no substitute for debate though they may be a substitute for a faltering mental process.

You're not an English Democrats member. You don't live in Monmouthshire. What a good job your opinion doesn't count!


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[jamiemccaffery]

Is there many EDp members in Monmouthshire then?

Plaid = Welsh nationalist
EDP = Supposed to be English Nationalist

Should they not try and work together.
Monmouthshire people seem to be happy with being welsh, but the man from Kent does not seem to grasp this fact and would rather alienate more people and get them to dislike the cause and goals of the EDP, good tactics...........not.

When will the self proclaimed party for England actually realise the English do not give a flying **** about this silly conquest, we want a better England.

The EDp limited resources (as we keep getting told) should be put to better use and try to get some local councillors pushed through and see if they can make a difference then people will start to listen and see what the party is all about. Local government will then lead to bigger things as people start to get recognised for the good work they are doing for the people of England.

You actually think if edp even were to get a councillor etc in Monmouthshire, that you would actually get a referendum. The government and welsh assembly are not interested in this, they are trying to save money not spend it on frivoulous things like putting a new county into Englands already frail fiscal hardships.

[cassie]

Is there many EDp members in Monmouthshire then?

Plaid = Welsh nationalist
EDP = Supposed to be English Nationalist

Should they not try and work together.
Monmouthshire people seem to be happy with being welsh, but the man from Kent does not seem to grasp this fact and would rather alienate more people and get them to dislike the cause and goals of the EDP, good tactics...........not.

When will the self proclaimed party for England actually realise the English do not give a flying **** about this silly conquest, we want a better England.

The EDp limited resources (as we keep getting told) should be put to better use and try to get some local councillors pushed through and see if they can make a difference then people will start to listen and see what the party is all about. Local government will then lead to bigger things as people start to get recognised for the good work they are doing for the people of England.

You actually think if edp even were to get a councillor etc in Monmouthshire, that you would actually get a referendum. The government and welsh assembly are not interested in this, they are trying to save money not spend it on frivoulous things like putting a new county into Englands already frail fiscal hardships.

You seem unable to see the wood for the trees!

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[jamiemccaffery]

So you are saying that all the people in England that lean towards a nationalist stance are interested in this flawed campaign to win back land that was originally not ours to begin with? Not right at the start before all the to a fro of what is now the area of land called Monmouthshire?

Good case of cutting of your nose to spite your face, it is not doing the" 7th largest party " many favours in the long run, local elections need fought and won to get the party some councillors and work you way upwards to the ultimate goal of being in office, instead you fight for something you will not win.

[Rhys]

For me being a Welshman residing in historic county of Monmouthshire, i do believe that the EDP's case of Monmouthshire(historic) being english is one of a lost cause. Though i do not hate the EDP in all entireties this campaign is stupid and ludicrous. Do you believe that the people of Blanau Gwent, Newport and Torfaen would honestly consider being english -i have yet to here of anybody complaining of the counties being in wales. There would need to be above 50% to succeed in this campaign which is plain dumb on the edps part. Though i do consider the historic county being not greatly welsh in culture, that does not mean these people are any less welsh just like the bangladeshy majority residing in tower hamlets, london. I do consider though that the county of Monmouth might have a case to argue, even if you do forget it was once considered part of the kingdom of gwent with the border being offas dyke. I think this campaign is some sort of ploy to grow the party into public attention.

[jamiemccaffery]

You are probably correct on the last point , if it works it will have to be well done, but if it does not work because certain Egos have joined in now and just are interested in ppbs etc, it will be detrimental in the coming years for the EDP and for a small party ( albeit having the 7th largest turn out in the election, how many were just protest votes we will never ever know) , is it a risk worth taking. There are many good people in the ED and it will be such a shame for all their hard work to be to no avail because of egotistical decision making and making enemies of other nationals in their own countries.

And as a English Civic Nationalist, the EDP do not speak for me nor many of my friends. And are not the voice of the English people. 3500 members does not equate to the vast amount of nationalists in England. They would have a lot more but most nationalist do not like certain people in the EDP.

[cassie]

So you are saying that all the people in England that lean towards a nationalist stance are interested in this flawed campaign to win back land that was originally not ours to begin with? Not right at the start before all the to a fro of what is now the area of land called Monmouthshire?

Good case of cutting of your nose to spite your face, it is not doing the" 7th largest party " many favours in the long run, local elections need fought and won to get the party some councillors and work you way upwards to the ultimate goal of being in office, instead you fight for something you will not win.

No, I'm not saying that, and nor do I agree with your analysis.

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