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    Quote Originally Posted by SomersetYokel View Post
    You seem to be privy to the NEC deliberations and yet you are not on the NEC. How is that?
    It's quite simple really my dear Yokel. The minutes of all NEC meetings are posted on the members only forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier View Post
    Douglas Denny: After telling the membership for sixteen years that we are a constitutional party, and all those who support the constitution should support us. We are now telling the membership that to assist the party which got us into this mess, we want to do a deal with them. What is the quid pro quo for UKIP? The Conservatives support the admission of Turkey into the the EU. Are we prepared to accept that as a consequence of what we are agreeing with Cameron? Cometh the hour - cometh the man? When is our man going to arrive? This is capitulation; the membership are to be betrayed at the last moment as I said we would be.
    Whether you agree with this policy or not (I have serious reservations) we are not agreeing anything with Cameron and standing down in a tiny number of constituencies is neither capitulation or betrayal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Allen View Post
    It's quite simple really my dear Yokel. The minutes of all NEC meetings are posted on the members only forum.
    well you see dear Mod despite being a member I am not granted access to the member's forum. All members are equal but some are less equal than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Allen View Post
    Whether you agree with this policy or not (I have serious reservations) we are not agreeing anything with Cameron and standing down in a tiny number of constituencies is neither capitulation or betrayal.
    Clearly a betrayal. Who took us into the Common Market, the Tories. Who kept us in, the Tories. Who welched on the Lisbon Treaty referendum, the Tories!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier View Post
    Douglas Denny: After telling the membership for sixteen years that we are a constitutional party, and all those who support the constitution should support us. We are now telling the membership that to assist the party which got us into this mess, we want to do a deal with them. What is the quid pro quo for UKIP? The Conservatives support the admission of Turkey into the the EU. Are we prepared to accept that as a consequence of what we are agreeing with Cameron? Cometh the hour - cometh the man? When is our man going to arrive? This is capitulation; the membership are to be betrayed at the last moment as I said we would be.

    You see ..... you really do not get it do you?

    What you have said reveals the fallacy ......
    You are still thinking in the same old way - the same old tired blinkered, short-sighted traditional party politics sort of way: just like the tired old blinkered short-sighted LibLabCon.

    You are wanting a "quid pro quo" for UKIP (just another political party) and do not for a moment think about the "quid pro quo" for the country - and hence us all.

    You should learn to play chess and then you will understand the value of sacrificing a piece for the sake of winning the game. (or getting you into a better position to do so).

    DED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomersetYokel View Post
    Clearly a betrayal. Who took us into the Common Market, the Tories. Who kept us in, the Tories. Who welched on the Lisbon Treaty referendum, the Tories!
    As with Geoffrey Collier - still thinking in the same old tired, boring, useless, traditionally selfish, stupid, pathetically inept, political party way..... tribaly !

    We have to be radical, free, and with lateral thinking, if we are going to change things radically for Britain within British politics. There is no other way.

    The Lib Lab Con have progressed in the same old decrepit way for over forty years ... and look where it has got us ... time for UKIP to break the mould, break free and 'go for it'.

    DED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglas denny View Post
    As with Geoffrey Collier - still thinking in the same old tired, boring, useless, traditionally selfish, stupid, pathetically inept, political party way..... tribaly !

    We have to be radical, free, and with lateral thinking, if we are going to change things radically for Britain within British politics. There is no other way.

    The Lib Lab Con have progressed in the same old decrepit way for over forty years ... and look where it has got us ... time for UKIP to break the mould, break free and 'go for it'.

    DED.
    Dippy you are quite unbelievable. Pearson is telling UKIP members to vote Tory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglas denny View Post
    You see ..... you really do not get it do you?

    What you have said reveals the fallacy ......
    You are still thinking in the same old way - the same old tired blinkered, short-sighted traditional party politics sort of way: just like the tired old blinkered short-sighted LibLabCon.

    You are wanting a "quid pro quo" for UKIP (just another political party) and do not for a moment think about the "quid pro quo" for the country - and hence us all.

    You should learn to play chess and then you will understand the value of sacrificing a piece for the sake of winning the game. (or getting you into a better position to do so).

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    Dougals Denny: Unlike you I have never supported, voted for, or stood as a parliamentary candidate for, any party which has supported The Treaty of Rome. You fail on all three counts. Goldsmith opposed the Maastricht Treaty, you may remember, because it UNDERMINED the Treaty of Rome. At the last GE, Pearson supported UKIP until the last moment when he advised all their members to vote Conservative. That is why we should never have trusted him. If you manage UKIP's affairs in such a way that you assist in providing the Conservatives with a workable majority, you become culpable when they tell you in advance that they will be working hard to see Tukey admitted to the EU. Should Labour do exactlly the same thing in respect of Turkey, at least we are not assisting them. Are you seriously arguing that UKIP's case will be advanced by the largest EU member state being Muslim? So UKIP's policy now involves assisting to elect a Conservative government, even if that entails the Single European Act, (the free movement of goods, capital, labour and services) applying equally to Turkey? When it comes to migration UKIP are now up-front with the Lib-Dem-Con-Lab. which effectively is an open-door policy where the EU is concerned. The Conservative policy in respect of Turkey alone, is incompatible with UKIP's objectives; they should be, therefore, just like the others, a proscribed party. Anyway, Douglas, now tell us how much money we have in the coffers to pay our legal bill after June 7th? Having helped to elect a Conservative government; Pearson may them deem our work done and petition for bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomersetYokel View Post
    Selected UKIP candidates are to be told to stand down in some Tory marginals with UKIP voters advised to vote Tory.
    Good idea. Good.
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    Is this now official UKIP policy? When was it agreed by the NEC?
    If you take a look at the many postings about the farcical burka ban, you'll see that Douglas Denny made clear that the rules were changed some time ago enabling the party leader to make whatever policy he feels like on the spur of the moment with no consultation. If he is having a good day, you'll get a good policy, like this one. If he is having a bad day, you'll get a burka ban. This needs fixing. Maybe one day he'll wake up convinced that the party needs a restoration of internal democracy and an enhanced role for the NEC. Who knows, it could happen.

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    Lord Pearson has been quite clear that his strategy is to help force a hung parliament in the hopes that this will lead to a referendum on our relationship with the EU.

    If you want to criticise that stratgey fine (I agree it is doomed to failure) but don't waste your time criticising him for something which he isn't trying to do (help elect a Tory government).

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