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    Quote Originally Posted by rjt View Post
    The point I was trying to make is that it is for Tony Blair to explain why so many of his policys as PM go against what he is saying now, confession to God is a personal thing, only Blair or the Pope know what they have said.
    Not in the Catholic church it isn't... In Catholicism, in case you had forgotten, the individual does not have a direct link to God, but must pass through a priest first.

    You, being a protestant should know this, it's one of the very reasons why your beliefs exists - the reformers of the 16th century did not believe that the Bible and faith were closed to all men. Catholic doctrine even states that the Bible needs an interpreter (priest) and that most people are unfit to understand it. Quite insulting really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgey View Post
    Not in the Catholic church it isn't... In Catholicism, in case you had forgotten, the individual does not have a direct link to God, but must pass through a priest first.

    You, being a protestant should know this, it's one of the very reasons why your beliefs exists - the reformers of the 16th century did not believe that the Bible and faith were closed to all men. Catholic doctrine even states that the Bible needs an interpreter (priest) and that most people are unfit to understand it. Quite insulting really.
    Whoever Mr Blair has said it through or too it is still up to him to explain to the British people why he has changed his mind and seemed able to seperate his faith from his politics when in number 10.
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    Belief and Politics are interlinked and both are full of hypocrites and the self righteous
    "That government is best which governs least."
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    Quote Originally Posted by g hall View Post
    Belief and Politics are interlinked and both are full of hypocrites and the self righteous
    As one of the self-righteous can I thank you for your honest opinion, what do you think about this partys economic policys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjt View Post
    Whoever Mr Blair has said it through or too it is still up to him to explain to the British people why he has changed his mind and seemed able to seperate his faith from his politics when in number 10.
    But he didn't think he had... You are claiming that he has.

    Bush's Christianity also brought him to war with Iraq - and he used to to justify his political actions even more than Blair did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgey View Post
    But he didn't think he had... You are claiming that he has.

    Bush's Christianity also brought him to war with Iraq - and he used to to justify his political actions even more than Blair did.
    Well actually I take your point on Iraq but many of Mr Blairs utterances on Social Policy are in line with his faith since he left Downing street, why did he take a diffrent view when he was there, perhaps he was able to seperate faith from politics.

    I could not do so, I could never support a candidate that favoured the status quo on Abortion or wanted to impose things on Chruches the way this government has done and will continue to do so if re-elected, as two examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjt View Post
    Well actually I take your point on Iraq but many of Mr Blairs utterances on Social Policy are in line with his faith since he left Downing street, why did he take a diffrent view when he was there, perhaps he was able to seperate faith from politics.

    I could not do so, I could never support a candidate that favoured the status quo on Abortion or wanted to impose things on Chruches the way this government has done and will continue to do so if re-elected, as two examples.
    I find it ironic that, because of what you have posted, I would be more likely to get your vote than a religious man like Blair...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgey View Post
    I find it ironic that, because of what you have posted, I would be more likely to get your vote than a religious man like Blair...
    Neither of you would get my vote as neither of you would govern in the intrests of this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjt View Post
    Neither of you would get my vote as neither of you would govern in the intrests of this country.
    Much like the Christian part then?
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    If we wish our religious beliefs to be beyond politicians to control why invite them (politicians) to rule on them ? Common sense says a man cannot serve two masters. The marriage of church and state is a total disaster.

    Nor are governments or parliaments able to legislate on moral issues. Yet they are allowed increasingly to do so.

    What do people want ? The Nanny State, or what ? Do people really want a Big Brother state ? If you do just vote for more of the same. Because once you get away from the Common Law you open a wound in the nation which will turn septic. That's exactly what we are seeing here in Britain.

    DON'T VOTE FOR THESE ACTORS ANY MORE.

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