With respect, I can't agree with that. Through the ages, there have been immigrants in all societies who have integrated and caused no more problems than any native. Including in our own.Originally Posted by Blazing Star
Do you agree with this sentiment or am I wrong to say this?
That may have been so in the past but Britain is now full, and has been for a long time.
Why should I or anybody else wish to see our countryside concreted over to accomodate an ever-increasing population?
Population reduction should now be the way forward, and that rules out immigration
That's a fair point, which I accept.
Of course, I would like to see population reduction happen without government force being used... presumably you think the same?
I agree with HM's response: no potential job in England is innately pre-possessed by the English. The phrasing is misleading and imprecise. What is clear is that the Government is dining with the Grim Reaper by paying an influx of foreign labourers to do the jobs that Britons (who are similarly being paid not to do the jobs!) should be filling. The large welfare state and mass immigration together spell disaster.
In my view, the State has no obligation to let in even one outsider (although this is not my opinion and it is incredibly unwise); there is no 'moral duty' to accept immigrants. Economic migrants should be welcomed where there is a genuine need for them and where their presence will benefit the country on the whole. Outside the European Union, we would equally be able to indefinitely expel immigrants who commit crimes on our isles and revoke the citizenship of naturalised nationals who commit crimes.
The current system certainly leaves a lot to be desired.
If the country has need of that skill and we can see the demonstrable advantage (TO US, not them!) then they should be considered for admission. But with the right to make a good living here there should be no automatic passport to state provision, housing, no voting rights, right to settle permanently, 'indefinite' leaves to remain, automatic naturalisations etc. (regardless of length of stay) and a strict limit on assets that could be liquidised and transferred out of the country. If they can support themselves and behave themselves and respect the primacy of the indigenous Britons then fair enough.
The reality is that it's all gone t*ts up already and we are facing the reality of demographic and therefore ELECTORAL minority status within a few generations, or think of it as within 9/10 electoral cycles! My how the time flies. Once that rubicon is reached, (assuming we get that far before all hell lets loose,) then all bets are off and we become just another minority group playing the "identity politics" game among a myriad of such competing self affirmation groups. Can you imagine the form of government that would arise (briefly) from that?
That's the trouble with Libertarianism, it makes for a sexy manifesto but terrible policy. It completely fails to take account of the dualist nature of the human animal. We are nice and reasonable but yet capable of great violences. We can be craven and lying but capable of astounding generosity and honour even to the point of surrendering ones life for another. No political philosophy really gets a grip on this factor much less embraces it but the individualist tendency inherent in those of the right comes closest I feel.
Is England not the land of the English?Why does "an Englishman" have some divine right to any particular job? I'm not talking about immigration on a large scale here, if you read my previous post, but if there is a niche to be filled, skilled immigration wouldn't be a problem in my eyes.
As usual Libertarians like Socialists want is to be individual economic units rather than Englishmen.
The only people who should decide who they want to work for them are the owners of a business.
If we didn't have mass Socialism as we do now, then people would not be as concerned about migrants, as they would know they were not sponging.
Of course people who can't stand others because they are brown, think white = instant right to employment of their choosing.
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Without mass socialism as you call it people would be even more concerned about immigrants taking jobs as they would be no welfare net British natives people.
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