7/7 inside job grief

[Unsie]

Rubbish! During WWII the chances of a flak shell scoring a direct hit on a bomber such that the explosion occured inside the fuselage were incredibly small. However, if that did happen, as it sometimes did, the bomber would have been blown to pieces and would not have been able to return to base where the photo was taken. The damage you highlight is the result of a flak burst in "damagingly" close proximity to the aircraft. The peeling outwards is due to the shell splinter emerging from the the fuselage. At it's entry point on the other side you would find a similar hole where the aluminium peeled inwards.

Sounds logical .....but i'm no expert

[Patman Post]

The official announcement at the time said there were no CCTV images because the CCTV had some kind of fault, and as you know there are an awful lot of CCTV cameras, and so looking at this from a probability perspective the likelihood is the malfunctioning was deliberate.

Regarding homemade explosives, the usual way to do it is to get some sodium chlorate, some sugar and some way of detonating it. Now that is not too difficult to do, but to do the damage that was observed it would have needed much more than could have been fitted into the bags they were said to have.

There are many cases when we hear CCTV tapes are unclear or the system was down.

The explosive you cite are little more than fireworks.

What about the 1995 Oklahoma bombing? It claimed 168 lives, injured more than 680 people, destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings. The explosive was fertilizer, cleaning solvent and diesel fuel.

That was in the open air. Imagine a back-pack of that stuff going off in an enclosed space.

[BCG Jason]

Reply to Draconian

The Peter Power situation is just coincidence; however it was an avenue for conspiracy theorists to exploit and make money and in doing so ruin Peter Powers life. The man has been sent death threats in the post on numerous occasions.

Peter Power announces on BBC radio 5 Live that at all 3 stations they were already simulating a terrorist scenario at those very same stations, the implication hit him after and he quickly tried to down play it, over a 1,000 staff were involved. That last point has never been repeated in the mainstream TV or paper media but is obviously very important. Also this reminds me of the recent inquest where the medical personnel did not have sufficient material like stretchers and had to improvise, could it be they were told to be there in advance just for a terrorist scenario? What is the statistical probability that they were just at the 3 stations that were bombed out of over 400 tube stations? Not likely to be to chance!

Nick Kollerstrom a holocaust denier capitalised on a typical New Labour error. The Government inquiry dossier on 7/7 said the train from Luton to London left at 7:40am, only this was a mistake as no train left Luton to London at 7:40am. This mistake, this guess-work by bone idle Government agents has opened up a can of worm and armed mercenary conspiracy theorists with another avenue to brainwash societies gullible. He also showed a picture of the four men entering Luton station, it was a CCTV picture and the pixels were (obviously) opaque due to the poor quality of CCTV imagery. The picture one of the four men (seemingly) appearing behind a fence like barrier is all Mr Kollerstrom had to go on and when he was discredited he was gobbed-smacked. (read: surprise, surprise)

Yes I remember the papers backtracking on this and amending the train time afterwards. Together with the dodgy picture, could it just be pixels? You would need an independent photographic expert and remembering David Kelly do you think anyone would volunteer?

There are also accounts that do not place the four 'alleged' bombers at Kings Cross, yet there is CCTV footage showing all four men together with rucksacs on their backs.

Well I have a friend who does not do conspiracy talk but he has a friend totally reliable who says someone was shot dead at Canary Wharf that day????

The CIA were quoted in the papers as saying the lead bomber was a MI5 operative?

I have read of 2 people claiming to be eye witnesses of both the bus and one of the trains that contradict the story about the suicide bombers?

This in itself does not prove anything one way or the other but the government looks like it has something to hide by refusing requests for an independent enquiry and let's remember, it passed legislation through about detaining suspects on this incident.

[Aardvark]

The CIA were quoted in the papers as saying the lead bomber was a MI5 operative?

BCG Jason, you wouldn't have a link for that statement would you? I heard it somewhere else, but not a reliable source.

[Red Rackham]

Imo the conspiracy theorists have completely lost it on this one. It is known that two of the bombers, Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, had previously come to the attention of MI5 but they were dismissed as "small-time fraudsters". Last year it was widely reported in the press when the governments request for "closed hearings" at the 7/7 inquest was denied by Lady Justice Hallett, any hint of a conspiracy would surely have come out then?

[BCG Jason]

Guys will revert a bit later, things a little busy right now on other fronts.
Regards
Jason

[newspresenter]

Well I have a friend who does not do conspiracy talk but he has a friend totally reliable who says someone was shot dead at Canary Wharf that day????

The CIA were quoted in the papers as saying the lead bomber was a MI5 operative?

I have read of 2 people claiming to be eye witnesses of both the bus and one of the trains that contradict the story about the suicide bombers?

This in itself does not prove anything one way or the other but the government looks like it has something to hide by refusing requests for an independent enquiry and let's remember, it passed legislation through about detaining suspects on this incident.

'Police shot bombers' reports New Zealander 5:00 AM Saturday Jul 9, 2005
A New Zealander working for Reuters in London says two colleagues witnessed the unconfirmed shooting by police of two apparent suicide bombers outside the HSBC tower at Canary Wharf in London.

The New Zealander, who did not want to be named, said the killing of the two men wearing bombs happened at 10.30am on Thursday (London time).

Following the shooting, the 8000 workers in the 44-storey tower were told to stay away from windows and remain in the building for at least six hours, the New Zealand man said.

He was not prepared to give the names of his two English colleagues, who he said witnessed the shooting from a building across the road from the tower.

Reports of attacks carried out by suicide bombers have been rife in London.

Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper reported an unconfirmed incident of police shooting a bomber outside the HSBC tower.

Canadian Brendan Spinks, who works on the 18th floor of the tower, said he saw a "massive rush of policemen" outside the building after London was rocked by the bombings.
'Police shot bombers' reports New Zealander - World - NZ Herald News


From the producer of 7/7 the ripple effect
"There is another newspaper report, that the police shot a suicide bomber outside the Credit Suisse First Boston Bank, which is approximately 1,400 feet, or 467 yards, away from the HSBC building, measured door to door. The two buildings are very different in both shape and size, and 467 yards apart, and thus they are not easily confused with each other."

Link to South London Press, which now does not work.
"POLICE were yesterday probing reports a man had been "neutralised" outside Canary Wharf. It is believed the man was shot dead by police marksmen outside the Credit Suisse First Boston bank. South London Press:-"


'Hidden holdall bomb' causes carnage Jul 8 2005 Exclusive By Ben Ashford

POLICE were yesterday probing reports a man had been "neutralised" outside Canary Wharf.

Is is believed the man was shot dead by police marksmen outside the Credit Suisse First Boston bank.
http://web.archive.org/web/200606270...london.icnetwo rk.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=15716646&method =full&siteid=50100-name_page.html
(this maybe poor).


We know those who rule us are very bad people, hmm

[BCG Jason]

Group,

Some links from the net and press, enough to question the official events. Some better than others. Noting concrete to support that Siddique Khan worked for Brit Intelligence perhaps I heard it from someone like Ian Crane at Glastonbury Symposium who is anti-establishment.

Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry | Mail Online

- good on need for enquiry and also why bombers unlikely to have caught the 'earlier train'

Rumours That Suicide Bombers Shot Dead In Canary Wharf :: Business News :: Here Is The City News :: The Latest Business & Financial Markets News And Views

- reports on rumours of shootings at Canary Wharf

New support for Canary Wharf story - TERROR ON THE TUBE

- Eye witness reports of multiple shootings at Canary Wharf head on BBC on 7/7 read the postings

7/7 ringleader was under CIA surveillance - Times Online

- CIA were watching Sidique Khan before 7/7 and notified British Intelligence, Britain denies this


7/7 Bus Bomb Survivor Tells Alex Jones His Story

- Bus Bomb witness comtradicts official story link to Mirror paper

Haroon Rashid Aswat
- MI6 protects mastermind of London Bombings Fox News

Jason

[Aardvark]

Thanks for that.

[newspresenter]