7/7 inside job grief

[mkpdavies]

Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry | Mail Online

Today almost four years on, the images of that dreadful morning are etched into our minds: the woman in the haunting white burns mask being helped to safety; the shell-shocked businessman in a suit with his hair and shirt matted with blood; the crippled No 30 bus with its roof blown off; the mangled wreckage of smouldering Tube trains.

The country's worst-ever terrorist atrocity during London's morning rush hour on July 7, 2005, shattered for ever the heady euphoria in which the capital was basking the morning after winning the bid for the 2012 Olympics.

That afternoon, Tony Blair - who was hosting the G8 summit on global poverty in Gleneagles, Scotland - returned to Downing Street to pronounce that the attack was an act in the 'name of Islam'.

Later, at a meeting of the Government's national emergency committee COBRA, London's anti-terror police chief Andy Hayman told senior ministers that he suspected suicide bombers.

And so the story of 7/7 that we have come to accept was pieced together: four British Muslims - Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Jermaine Lindsay, 19, and Hasib Hussain, 18 - blew themselves up using home-made explosives, killing 56 and injuring 700 on three Tube trains and a double-decker bus.

They had travelled on a mainline train from Luton into King's Cross Thameslink Station in London, each carrying a heavy rucksack of explosives.

It is a version of events that has been endorsed by a high-level Parliamentary inquiry and a government report, both published in May 2006 ten months after the event, based on 12,500 statements, a police examination of 142 computers and 6,000 hours of CCTV footage.

The report insisted that the bombers acted on their own, constructing explosives from chapatti flour and hair bleach mixed in the bath at a flat in Leeds, Yorkshire, where all four had family and friends.

It concluded that the Muslim bombers were not controlled by a terrorist mastermind, but inspired by Al Qaeda ideology picked up on extremist websites.

But families of the dead victims and an increasing number of 7/7 survivors claim there are inconsistencies and basic mistakes in the official accounts that need explanation.

And they are demanding a full public inquiry to answer key questions about what the Intelligence Services and the police did and did not know before the bombings.

Meanwhile, the Government's determined refusal to meet their demands is having a very dangerous side-effect - fuelling myriad conspiracy theories about 7/7. Books, blogs and several video documentaries point to oddities in the official accounts.

The film that is causing the questions.

ripple effect - Google Videos

There are others

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=mind+the+gap

[kafir]

Do YOU think 7/7 was an inside job?

[mkpdavies]

Do YOU think 7/7 was an inside job?

No idea. I haven't seen any solid evidence to suggest inside job.

There are some disturbing questions though, that suggest something dubious is going on.

[kafir]

And have you studied global jihad?

[mkpdavies]

And have you studied global jihad?

Biggest load of ******** ever. A massively over-hyped load of tripe, born out by the utter lack of attacks on this country to date.

[Draconian Monarch]

I watched a BBC documentary surrounding the 7/7 conspiracy theories. Much of what is discussed in the video was disapproved on the programme. The Ripple Effect was created by a man called Jimmy (something or another; I forget his name) who happens to think he is a living God and his body is buried underneath Tara Hill.

The Israel intelligence link was total fabrication and evidently forged from anti-Jewish sentiment. The Israel Embassy never knew in advance of any pre-emptive attack and Scotland Yard knew nothing of the attack. Benjamin Netanyahu and many other diplomats who attended a Jewish Economic meeting in a London conference centre (read: I forget what centre it was, if it was indeed a centre?) were not told of the explosions on the Underground and the Bus in Tavistock Square until an hour after the events unfolded. I believe Netanyahu was held up at his hotel and did not manage to make the meeting, again pure coincidence.

The Peter Power situation is just coincidence; however it was an avenue for conspiracy theorists to exploit and make money and in doing so ruin Peter Powers life. The man has been sent death threats in the post on numerous occasions.

Nick Kollerstrom a holocaust denier capitalised on a typical New Labour error. The Government inquiry dossier on 7/7 said the train from Luton to London left at 7:40am, only this was a mistake as no train left Luton to London at 7:40am. This mistake, this guess-work by bone idle Government agents has opened up a can of worm and armed mercenary conspiracy theorists with another avenue to brainwash societies gullible. He also showed a picture of the four men entering Luton station, it was a CCTV picture and the pixels were (obviously) opaque due to the poor quality of CCTV imagery. The picture one of the four men (seemingly) appearing behind a fence like barrier is all Mr Kollerstrom had to go on and when he was discredited he was gobbed-smacked. (read: surprise, surprise)

There was also hoopla going around that bombs that were detonated were placed underneath the carriages thus explaining the large holes on the floors of the carriages. Yet a woman who appeared on the documentary was close enough to one of the suicide bombers claims to have seen the rucksac of one of the suicide bombers explode and fragment as the carriage she was on was torn. Those who claim to have seen the floor of the carriages explode upwards had no concrete evidence of bombs being placed underneath the carriages, nor did they see the detonation of the bombs in the first place. This was evidently another avenue for mercenary opportunists to take advantage of.

There are also accounts that do not place the four 'alleged' bombers at Kings Cross, yet there is CCTV footage showing all four men together with rucksacs on their backs.

I could go on all day, but the fact remains this is like any other conspiracy theories, it leads on coincidence without having hard facts to back up any of the claims made. Those who believe nonsense like the Ripple Effect which plays on coincidence and nothing else are in my opinion justifying Osama Bin Laden's stance that Westerners are indeed infidels . There is no evidence to suggest that 7/7 was an inside job designed, implemented and orchestrated by the Government and Government led agencies.

[kafir]

Biggest load of ******** ever. A massively over-hyped load of tripe, born out by the utter lack of attacks on this country to date.

Sure, whatever you say. Good luck with that.

[Baron von Lotsov]

I know that there was some framing going on and if the people suspected did have bombs it looks like they were not aware that they were bombs. There are some interesting eyewitness reports that indicate this was the case, and those bombers were not politically motivated, rather they were set up for it. Only the mentally ill commit suicide, and even if we were to accept they were mentally ill then chances are they were brainwashed, as is the case in a number of suicide bombings, and sometimes you can get clues by looking at their eyes, in that they look like they are in some sort of trance. I think the gunman who shot John Lennon was just such a case in point.

Obviously such acts as the 7/7 bombings were not wholly the work of lone individuals who were mentally ill, because that was planned with the precision of a military operation. So who was actually responsible? We don't know, but chances are that it is some kind of foreign power and possibly the work of a foreign intelligence agency. Maybe they conspired with sympathetic elements in the British establishment, since this appears probable. For example the head of immigration was an illegal immigrant it was reported and illegal immigrants were found to have thousands of government security jobs, and even the judge in deportation trials who was in the paper the other day is an immigrant! So the most likely position is that some foreign power had infiltrated key security positions and they had let it happen. Any inquiry will be a waste of taxpayer’s money and a complete whitewash. They will run it with their own dodgy people and decide the outcome before they start it. Indeed such a move would be counter-productive.

[Quintrix]

I have doubts that 7/7 was an inside job in a similar way that I believe 9/11 was. I'm more inclined to say it was the work of amateurs rather than that of international terrorism or global Jihad or whatever.

IMO 7/7 was quite a poorly executed, or even botched, terrorist attack.

Remember the Oklahoma City bombings and how that was initially blamed on Islamic terrorism...

[Exorcist]

IMO 9/11 was an inside job and 7/7 probably wasn't. I have not looked in detail at 7/7.