Where now for Libertas? Voter here please

**Britannist** · 17-06-2009, 12:04 PM

Where now for Libertas?

Libertas said that it wants to reform the EU but did not say how long it would give for negotiations on reforming the EU and what it would do if those negotiations fail.

Libertas also did not say whether it supported or opposed the euro for the UK - it never went beyond stating that membership of the euro was a matter for each EU member nation.

The party failed to win any seats in any EU nation in the EU Election held on 4th - 7th June, 2009.

Please vote in the above poll. Thank you.

**Richard Allen** · 18-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Without Ganley I think Libertas are finished.

That being said I couldn't care less what they do next. They are an irrelevance to those of us who are anti-EU.

**rjt** · 18-06-2009, 12:54 PM

Shut down, there is nothing for them in this country.

**Anthony Butcher** · 18-06-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by rjt

Shut down, there is nothing for them in this country.

Apart from the keen activists and members and a Europe wide mission to create a different kind of European Union.

**Anthony Butcher** · 18-06-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Richard Allen

Without Ganley I think Libertas are finished.

Well, it is still early days yet, but having a single figurehead is really a weakness, not a strength, in an organisation.

Originally Posted by Richard Allen

That being said I couldn't care less what they do next. They are an irrelevance to those of us who are anti-EU.

I think that you meant "natural allies in the fight against the anti-democratic EU".

**Britannist** · 18-06-2009, 03:48 PM

Thank you to all who posted to this thread and/or who took part in the poll (at the top of this page).

There is a role for those in Libertas UK - and it belongs in the anti-EU movement.

The EU cannot be reformed (as some in Libertas think and hope) because reform involves it giving up power: an anathema to the EU ruling 'elite' who want more - and not less - of fit.

The type of europe many in Libertas UK want can found already - in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA): a group of highly successful democratic nation states who retain their national currencies and sovereignty.

A large number of anti-EU campaigners in the UK want us to rejoin EFTA when we free ourselves from the control of the EU Superstate now under construction.

Members of Libertas UK should now abandon attempts to promote reform of the anachronistic EU and fully align themselves to the growing anti-EU movement.

**Richard Allen** · 18-06-2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Well, it is still early days yet, but having a single figurehead is really a weakness, not a strength, in an organisation.

Indeed it is a weakness. One that I don't think Libertas will recover from.

Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I think that you meant "natural allies in the fight against the anti-democratic EU".

Supporters of Britain's membership of the EU are most certainly not natural allies of UKIP or anyone who believes that Britain should leave the EU.

**DOCTOR WHY** · 18-06-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Apart from the keen activists and members and a Europe wide mission to create a different kind of European Union.

A different kind of EU will never be on offer. Those who pursue this illusion are wasting their time. Best to unite with other UK-based parties to achive full withdrawal at the earliest possible moment.