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    Default Why, for the first time in my life, I won't vote Tory next week . . .

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    Why, for the first time in my life, I won't vote Tory next week . . .

    Traditionally, I am a Tory. Once in the polling booth it is never hard for me to put my cross beside the name of the Conservative candidate.

    I've stayed loyal even during times when the Party has been in deep political trouble.

    In fact, I've taken a special pleasure in supporting the Conservatives at those general elections, such as in 2001 when there was a Labour landslide, when it was deeply unfashionable to do so.

    And yet now, with the Tories seemingly certain to win the next general election, I have a problem.

    Not with next Thursday's local elections, in which those Tory candidates standing for council posts are, for the most part, decent men and women untainted by Westminster sleaze, but with the simultaneous election for the European parliament.

    It is out of the question to vote for any Conservative candidate. To cast such a vote would be to sanction immorality, greed, law-breaking and corruption.

    There are two reasons for this. The first is that Tory MEPs are part of the same expenses racket that has shamed Westminster.

    For example, consider this statistic: MEPs have access to an annual £366,000 expenses pot, far more than the £144,000 enjoyed by MPs in Westminster.

    Unfortunately, we do not know how they spend this money. Indeed, only six weeks ago MEPs (including the vast majority of Tories) voted to keep their expenses secret.

    The second reason it is impossible to vote Tory is that next week's European elections offer the first chance for the nation to deliver a verdict on Westminster corruption.

    Of course, Labour and LibDem MPs have behaved just as badly as their Tory counterparts.

    And it is not right to vote for these two parties either. Furthermore, Cameron and Brown have one thing in common.

    They have both evaded the real issue when it comes to cleaning up their parties in Westminster.

    They have focused the blame on peripheral figures such as Labour's Margaret Moran (who claimed £22,500 for treating dry rot at her partner's home in Southampton, 100 miles from her constituency and from Westminster) or Tory Peter Viggers (who claimed £30,000 for gardening, including £500 worth of manure and a £1,645 floating duck island).

    Meanwhile, both party leaders have protected more senior MPs. For example, Brown gave a clean bill of health to Transport Secretary Geoff Hoon, Work & Pensions Secretary James Purnell and Chancellor Alistair Darling.

    Yet all three are tax-cheats whose conduct, if replicated by an ordinary member of the public, would undoubtedly lead to a criminal investigation.

    These men should not be allowed to remain in British public life.

    Cameron is guilty of the same inconsistency. While being tough on some backbenchers, he seems blind to the fact that a number of his Shadow Cabinet have been guilty of loathsome and amoral conduct.

    I would never vote for a political party which includes Francis Maude (who claimed almost £35,000 for a mortgage on a London flat a few minutes' walk from a house he already owned and then rented out) or Alan Duncan (who submitted thousands of pounds of expenses for his garden before agreeing that the spending 'could be considered excessive').

    There are also major questions about the conduct of Shadow Education Secretary Michael Gove (who spent more than £7,000 in five months furnishing a London property in 2006 before 'flipping' his second home designation to a new property he bought in Surrey) and the Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling (who got thousands of pounds to renovate a London flat only 17 miles from his constituency home).

    As a result of this disgraceful state of affairs, for the first time in 30 years, I have been racking my brain for an alternative to voting Tory.

    It goes without saying that it is impossible to support a racist party such as the BNP. Also, UKIP, the most obvious choice, can immediately be ruled out because one of its MEPs is facing prosecution for fraud.

    This leaves those of us seeking politicians of integrity and decency with just two possible parties: Jury Team and Libertas.

    Jury Team is a new political movement set up by philanthropist Sir Paul Judge, who has an outstanding record as a businessman and has donated generously to many charities.

    His own integrity is beyond reproach and his list of candidates standing next week are independent figures (his team includes Esther Rantzen and former anti-sleaze MP Martin Bell) who are determined to clean up politics.

    Meanwhile, Libertas was founded by charismatic Irish businessman Declan Ganley who, in a referendum, persuaded Irish voters to reject the Lisbon Treaty which would have given Brussels many more powers.

    As a result, the British people already owe Ganley an enormous debt of gratitude. Equally, the European political class hate him - spending hundreds of thousands of EU money on a propaganda campaign linking him with a CIA plot devised by U.S. neo-conservatives to weaken the EU.

    Significantly, this smear campaign has failed.

    At a time of moral squalor and decay in Westminster and Brussels, both Libertas and Jury Team offer voters a hugely refreshing - and, perhaps, the only proper - alternative on Thursday.
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    I've come out of the closet Anthony! I'll be voting Libertas. What Oborne says is very powerful.

    A Libertas grouping from several countries in the European parliament will be a whole heap better than the UKIP solitary seating arrangement!

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    I suppose if you are pro EU, then this is the best of a terrible bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkpdavies View Post
    I suppose if you are pro EU, then this is the best of a terrible bunch.
    As they say, bad blood will out! Or put another way to falsely claim to be EU sceptic when all the time you were a Europhile!

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    Default The EU by another UKIP name!

    Well I'm no europhile if by that you mean cravenly in love with the European Union. As I've said many times before I voted NO in the Wislon Referendum, the one in which Nigel Farage thought he was joining a "free trade organisation"!

    What does not come out of UKIP's manifesto is how on earth we are going to be better off leaving the EU and then signing up to almost every legislative piece through the back door!

    Libertas strikes me as the best way to engage other Europeans in dismantling the top layers of the EU edifice and rebuilding it along the lines of nation states agreeing where necessary.

    UKIP still gives me the impression of being the child of the League of Empire Loyalists!

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    "signing up to almost every legislative piece through the back door"

    Outside the EU I would hope we would do little of that - but even if we did we could end particular agreements according to our own best interests at any point in time.

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    So you break trade agreements if you got the hump on a Monday, say? Sounds all very amateurish.

    This is from the UKIP manifesto. Short and sweet.

    "UKIP will leave the political EU and trade globally and freely. We will re-embrace today’s fast-growing Commonwealth and we will encourage UK manufacturing so that we make things again."

    The first bit sounds like all renegotiation will be hunkydory. The second assumes that the Commonwealth will be pleased to join in with us as a unit. And encouraging UK manufacturing will take loads of cash (which we haven't got!) if we are to compete with the likes of India and China.

    It's rather more like an Ernie Wise story "one what I just wrote" rather than a sensible programme for European trade.

    By the way, have you ditched the EFTA idea?

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    As I understand it the emphasis is on trading globally - most of it covered by WTO rules - no need for EFTA or the like.

    We wouldn't "break" individual trade agreements, simply not renew them when no longer in our interests. At the moment the UK can make no trade agreements for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arden forester View Post
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    Libertas strikes me as the best way to engage other Europeans in dismantling the top layers of the EU edifice and rebuilding it along the lines of nation states agreeing where necessary.
    Why the hell would anybody want to rebuild it? A bit like trying remould the "Krays" into fine upstanding citizens. I hope in five years time we true EU sceptics will look back on the EU as just a bad dream! I want OUT!OUT! OUT! The sooner the better!

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    You get silly at times. I don't want to rebuild the EU. I want something in its place that recognises the interests of the nation states. However, when you restore a property you don't necessarily want to scrap the good bits, and there are good bits, like free movement etc. I certainly don't want to queue up for passport control in some third world sector of Schiphol Airport!

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