This topic is a very sick joke.
Please do not post on it!
This topic is a very sick joke.
Please do not post on it!
Perhaps the tolerance of it was influenced by christianity -- Joseph was 90 and Mary 12 when they married, which was fine in traditional Jewish law.Originally Posted by angelman
Age of Marriage Act 1929
This is the act which increased the age at which people could get
married to 16. Prior to that (relatively recent) date a girl could
marry at age 12 and a boy at age 14...
The corresponding change was not made until 1951 in Northern Ireland,
and 1972 (effective 1975) in the Republic of Ireland.
Age of Marriage Act 1929 - Legal Banter
US: Throughout most of the 19th century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse was 10 years old. In Delaware it was seven.
Twelve states, as late as 1930, allowed boys as young as 14 and girls as young as 12 to marry with parental consent.
Slaves could not marry. Nor could indentured servants in many states.
Partners Task Force - Marriage Traditions in Various Times and Cultures
History of UK age of consent:
Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHistory
The age of consent for heterosexual acts in England was set at 12 in 1275 and remained so for six centuries - due to the wording of the law, the age of consent only applied to women (consequently, all amendments to the law also only applied to women). The wording was along the lines of "It shall be deemed illegal to ravage a maiden who is not of age" - at the time "of age" being 12. Therefore, there was, and is, technically no age of consent for the male participant - unless the female participant is an adult in which case laws pertaining to sex with a minor and so on come into force. The English law became applicable in Wales following the Acts of Union (1536 and 1543). In medieval Welsh law there was no actual equivalent of the concept of the age of consent as such, but a girl was marriagable at 12-14 (the onset of puberty) and a fine was payable for the taking of a girl's maidenhood by force; the rules varied according to status and may not have been applied rigidly to commoners.[14]
A concern that young girls were being sold into brothels led Parliament to raise the age of consent to 13 in 1875 under the Offences Against the Person Act 1875. After W. T. Stead's Maiden Tribute articles, the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 raised the age of consent to 16
Free speech for all ......unless they disagree with your own personal opinion?
In my opinion, the fact that this thread exists is testament to the fact, that the people who run this forum, genuinely do believe in free speech and as such deserve the respect and support of every member here.
SteveUKIP hasn't even read the discussion. If he had started at the first post and worked his way through he would have found serious discussion with a lot of links to facts. The heading of the thread is wrong and that has been highlighted. That said it is based on a misinterpretation, IMHO, of a series of events surrounding a now withdrawn leaflet. There are plenty of clarifications within the body of the thread as well as a translation of a German article.
ZB and I disagree, but we understand the need to debate the subject, unpalatable though it is. Perhaps Steve was one of those Roman Catholics who wanted to suppress investigation of paedophilia in the Boston Diocese? If you don't discuss a subject it will go away. Don't confuse Steve with facts his mind is made up.
The traditional Roman Catholic law was that marriage could not be contracted before the age of seven, which is considered by Catholics to be the 'age of reason' and the 'age of consent'. The law was established in Gratian's twelth century laws, which were the beginnings of organized canon law in the Church and which were authoritative through the middle ages. The marriage would be final so long as neither partner had sought annulment before the tradition age of puberty (12 and 14 following the tradition of Greece and Rome) or it had not already been consummated, even by rape. The law from there passed into the secular laws in Catholic lands, in England and from there the US.
From the Decretum of Gratian.
QUESTION II
Gratian: Betrothals cannot be contracted before the seventh year. For they can be contracted only with consent, which requires each party to understand what they agree to. This proves that betrothals cannot be contracted between children, because the debility of age prevents consent.
Pope Nicholas witnesses to the same, saying:
C. 1.
Marriage cannot be contracted before the age of consent.
Where there is no mutual consent, there is no marriage. Therefore, to give boys to girls in their cradles, or vice versa, accomplishes nothing, even if the father and mother do it and desire it, unless both children consent after reaching the age of discretion.
Medieval Marriage Law* Gratian, Gregory IX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratian_(jurist)
Age of Consent - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society
Correction:
Either partner could seek annulment before the traditional age of pubity (12 and 14) unless the marriage had been consummated, even by rape.
Incestual Paedophilia - a means to an end
Some posters here may be under the impression that the deliberate sexualising of pre-school children, is the merely the result of some trendy young misfits not knowing what they are doing.
I suggest there are grounds for re-assessing this view. Let's just remind ourselves, incest (which is the realistic physiological result of on-going, in-family mutual masturbation) devastates communities in remote regions where it happens, not to mention causing congenital flaws. So who in their right mind would advocate it?
There is a history. The first political attempts to sexualise children that I know of were made before World War Two: both involved the opening of 'clinics' to deliberately promote sex without morals, using leaflets, seminars and teacher-training. Some were in Berlin, run by the famous psychoanalyst Wihelm Reich (the subject of Kate Bush's 'Cloud-busting').
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The other was in Hungary, run by Georg Lukacs.
Both men later helped set up the 'Frankfurt School', (the Institute for Social Research of the University of Frankfurt), in order to find a way to destroy the family.
The full strategy of family destruction through pre-school sexualisation and 'gender' elimination (e.g. cross-dressing in nursery school etc) has already been implimented in Sweden - but I suggest you read the rest of post before going into the events in Sweden, since they are also closely related to the deliberate destruction of the state.
Sweden: a Full-Blown experiment in Marxist/Frankfurt School social engineering.
From the youth section, Swedish Social Democrat manefesto (the governing party): Kärnfamiljen som norm ska krossas. “The nuclear family, the normal family, should be smashed.”http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/03/kurt-lundgren-rip.html
This is some information about the Frankfurt School.
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The Frankfurt School - destroyer of Minds?
Aims: Destruction of the Family
‘‘Abolition of the family!... In its completely developed form, the family exists only among the bourgeoisie‘‘ and ‘‘what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce…….an openly legalised system of free love'', Marx.
Beginnings
‘In the heady days immediately after the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, it was widely believed that proletarian revolution would momentarily sweep out of the Urals into Europe and, ultimately, North America. It did not; the only two attempts at workers' government in the West— in Munich and Budapest—lasted only months. The Communist International (Comintern) therefore began several operations to determine why this was so. One such was headed by Georg Lukacs, a Hungarian aristocrat, son of one of the Hapsburg Empire's leading bankers.’
Lukacs
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/l/u.htm#lukacs-georg
Lukacs reckoned that Russians were compliant with the idea of submission to group authority, while in the west, the idea that individuals could influence their lives was too strong for Communism to get a hold. What differentiated the West from Russia, he wrote, was a Judeo-Christian cultural matrix which emphasized the uniqueness and sacredness of the individual. The problem was, that as long as the individual had the belief—or even the hope of the belief—that his or her divine spark of reason could solve the problems facing society, then that society would never reach the state of hopelessness and alienation which Lukacs recognized as the necessary prerequisite for socialist revolution. He wrote ‘who would save us from Western Civilisation?‘
So Lukacs identified that any political movement capable of bringing Bolshevism to the West would have to be, in his words, "demonic"; it would have to "possess the religious power which is capable of filling the entire soul; a power that characterised primitive Christianity." However, Lukacs suggested, such a "messianic" political movement could only succeed when the individual believes that his or her actions are determined by "not a personal destiny, but the destiny of the community" in a world "that has been abandoned by God." Lukacs was Commissar/ Minister of Culture in Hungary, instituting what he called, "CULTURAL TERRORISM." ( to achieve Abolition of Culture, Aufhebung der Kultur) When he attempted to introduce sex education in schools in an attempt to destroy catholic mores, workers were horrified. He moved to Frankfurt, Germany, where he realised that keeping his aims secret might be more effective, thus the neutral-sounding "Institute for Social Research." was born.
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There, Max Horkheimer encouraged Marxist analysis through Freudian psychoanalysis. Wilhelm Reich, Freud’s student, arguing that neurosis is rooted in physical, sexual, economic, and social repression and therefore he deliberately promoted childhood sexuality, contraceptives, abortion, and divorce. His work influenced a generation of intellectuals, including Saul Bellow, William S. Burroughs, Paul Edwards, Norman Mailer, Yoko Ono, Ellen Willis, and A. S. Neill, and shaped innovations such as Fritz Perls's Gestalt therapy, Alexander Lowen's bioenergetic analysis, and Arthur Janov's primal therapy. Even more important, they realised that psychology offered them a far more powerful tool than philosophy for destroying Western culture: psychological conditioning. Let culture, music and art for example, have no uplifting or moral power, describe them as mearly the tools of industrialised consumption.
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The Frankfurt School in America
When Hitler truimphed in Europe, graduates of the Frankfurt School fled and their ideas spread to the west. The Frankfurt School, including its leading members from Germany, was re-established in New York City with help from Columbia University. From there its mores spread into academia throughout the English speaking world, responsible for 'Critical Theory' and pre-curser of 'Structualism', Post-Modernism and Political Correctness.
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Columbia University, U.S.A.
What immediately follows is an interesting story: how the destructive aim was incorporated into early reasearch in many mass media fields in the U.S, from radio and television, to mass advertising. For example Frankfurt School allumni joined the OSS, the pre-curser to the CIA. The culture they installed in that organisation was responsible for some of the scarcely understandable experiments performed then, for example giving large numbers of soldiers and national guardsmen LSD without their knowledge. The activities of the CIA in manufacturing and distributing LSD literally led directly to the 60s counter-culture and drugs experimentation. Many counter-culture authors, got their first taste of LSD from CIA employees. The Communist Allen Ginsburg (Kerouac named him "Carlo Marx) probably obtained his while at Frankfurt School-influenced Columbia.
[img]http://www.metapedia.com/wiki/images...urt_School.jpg[/img]
Some of the original Frankfurt School
The Frankfurt School's Influence Today
And so the links into modern culture, too numerous to put here now, continue and are tolorated. I am happy to share more detail on what I know. At the moment, the following:
The Frankfurt School still exists. It still promotes 'Critical Theory' and the Marxist agenda and since the fall of the Berlin wall, it's aims are no less explicit than before: it seeks to effect social destruction by (and this is what it admits to on its own web-siteplacing Marxism within a capitalist economic framework. It is widespread and highly influential.
Cultural Theory Weekly Discussion Spring 2009: Week 4 - Metapedia
Take the economic side out of Marx and you're left with, what? We know this strategy today, as 'Cultural Marxism': it aims to destroy the family, the individual and the state. In that order.
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One Example of Cultural Marxism Today
It's in your face: Marxist destruction of Western Civilisation through sex. http://fuckparade2009.blogsport.de/
A single taster to recent manifestations of Cultural Marxism in politics (there are plenty more):
Harriet Harman
As a student, investigated by MI5 for Communist sympathies.
Became a legal advisor for the National Council for Civil Liberties where she endorsed this statement: “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage''.
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She suggested that any pornographic sex film of a child should 'not be considered indecent'. That investigating police should have to ‘prove’ the underage child was forced into performing sex acts.
Later appointed in Government to look after childrens' rights.
This year her spokesperson, lied to a reporter and tried to pretend that the Paedophile Information Exchange group was not affiliated to the NCCL while Harriet helped run it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html
Ok. one more:
Similar wierd views on child sexuality and her attempted suppression of a paedophilia investigation can be found by investigating the ex-Marxist council leader Margaret Hodge, who later became Blair's (you couldn't make this up.........) Childrens' Minister.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/jennymccartney/3555653/Ask-Margaret-Hodge-how-horrors-can-hide.htmlhttp://pierrejoubert.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html
Minette Marrin: H is for hypocrisy as Hodge reveals the Stalinist truth
I've often heard the following question. 'How can New Labourites be 'Marxists'?: they're enjoying the high life now, private schools for their kids, chauffeur-driven cars, 'consultancy' jobs lined up, huge houses'. The answer to that is simple, look at the glaring contradiction within Marxism. If human thought is just a product of capitalist society, then how could Marx come up with the Communist Manifesto? Marx said it was because 'capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction'. But it's easier for the average Marxist to believe he just knows better than the rest of us. Engles was the archtypical 'champagne socialist'.
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[img]http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/poli/images/Karl_Marx.jpg[/img]
The Destruction of the individual.
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Most of you have probably heard of Marx's seemingly childish and simplistic aphorisms: everyone is either a 'bourgeois capitalist or else a subjugated 'worker' and Western Civilisation is for the stuffy previous generation. Attractive concepts, perhaps, when you're 18, and like to think of yourself as a bit of a 'rebel'. What I didn't realise, was that the very thing that makes Marx's writings sound childish to normal people, that is it's lack of human description, it's distain for soul, human thought or emotion; is the very thing that made it so attractive to many otherwise intelligent people, including most of the previous Labour cabinet. You can pick up Marx, repeat its slogans, become a 'shocking' rebel and get a bit of kudos from your friends. It's a kind of off-the-shelf instant intellectualism. And the encouragement of meaningless sex is the cream on the cake when you're a testosterone or oestragen-suffused youth. The tragedy is, that young people leave humanities courses full of unconcious (Marxist) Critical Theory (or its modern off-chutes designed to break down culture into atomised bits e.g, Pragmatism, Analytic Language, Cultural Studies/New Historicism, Deconstruction, Discourse as Event, Existentialist Theory and Marxist Feminism) and then take up Government posts.
If you doubt that some people in power are deliberately, mendatiously pushing these immoral concepts, then have a look at the current attempt in the U.N. to push for a strange new definition of 'gender'. Nations Rap UN "Gender-as-Social-Construct" Rapporteur Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute
Personally, I did not know before I looked into this, that the 'destruction of the family' was in Marx's Communist Manefesto. A philosophy that allowed psychopaths like Lenin to write the Terror decrees and Stalin to cause the internal deaths of perhaps 60 million people can only be viewed as evil. And if you look at that document again (it's not long) you find Marx strongly advocated the destruction of the individual too. You destroy the 'individual' by destroying who he is, taking away his pride by making him doubt or be ashamed of his:
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- culture (e.g. oppressive),
- ethnicity (white, racist),
- history (colonialist),
- gender (sexist, 'a social construct', Swedish Green Party),
- religion (Hazel Blears, Labour, favouring Discrimination in favour of Islam over Christianity),
- family ("For too long the early years of a child's life have been seen as the private concern of the parents', Margaret Hodge, Times, April 29, 1996), morals ( “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult result in no identifiable damage’’ endorsed by Harriet Harman ),
- nation ( John Prescot (English), Deputy Prime Minister: ‘There is no such nationality as English), or
- democracy (‘’it may be that the era of pure representative democracy is slowly coming to an end’’ Peter Mandelson, March 1998) and
- civilisation (''What is 'Western Civilisation' to me?'', Olaf Palme, Swedish Prime Minister).
Peter Mandleson]
And now your baby or father is objectified as a sexual object? Marxism is a mechanistic description of the human condition: the human has no soul, no spark of innate creativity, no original thought, nothing except base needs that only a (Marxist) revolution can gratify.....
[img]http://www.marxists.org/subject/art/...marx/marx1.jpg[/img]
I have tried to be objective, so if anyone would like references to some of the facts here written, then let me know.
Interesting about that Harman politician Cacadores, policy stuff like that often slips through the cracks, we see it with that former Witch person running for Senate in the States.
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