Was Henley a good result for UKIP?

[Wowbanger TIP]

What is your consideration of the brief article in 'Notes from the Borderland' which I posted here last year and for any interest copy here today? This is well off-topic so beyond the above question asked I won't say anything more on the matter.

I have no idea who or what "notes from the borderland" represents or whether they, or it, is a reliable or credible source.

However I have heard this story before thought it had rather slipped my mind. Which is unacceptable really.

I know a fair bit about environmentalist "direct action" techniques having been the only student to serve in the ranks of the Establishment's 1000 strong security team during "the battle of the Bollin" also known as the Manchester Airport Runway Two protests. Tremendous fun, I saw Martin Bell and was involved in the first Medieval battle fought on English soil since 1485. I spent most of the campaign sabotaging all attempts to impose order by the management out of sheer boredom, ably assisted by a deserter from the Turkish Army and a not inconsiderable bag of hashish. Good Times.

The BNP could learn a tremendous amount about agenda setting and media control from groups like Earth First. One of the more interesting aspects being their use of very low quality activists in an extremely aggressive fashion using para-military organizational techniques. These people ripped up the rule book and crippled their opponents so badly that barely a square foot of tarmac has been laid since. It wasn't that they were very good at what they were doing, it was the paralysis of the opposition for fear of the media which caused the damage. The damage being the tens of millions of pounds the protests caused the constructors of the runway.

If Sadie Grayham has been involved in such groups that is another excellent reason why she would make a good chairman. The BNP desperately need to learn from the vastly superior tactics and techniques of the "Green" and other lobbies and anyone who has experience of these subjects should be listened to carefully.

Moreover one of the most important intellectual battles the BNP has to fight is against the established Green Party for control of the environmental high ground. The Green Party has lacked the intellectual courage to follow the logic of environmental thought to its inevitable conclusion and in doing so has betrayed their cause. The simple obvious fact of the matter is that population number and density is the driving force behind all environmental problems and the Green's will not and can not face up to this. Incidentally Sadie Grayham would not be the first "environmentalist" to arrive at the conclusion and react accordingly. Interestingly the Godfather of Green himself, James Lovelock has been making some fascinating comments on this subject and on the nation state as the only force capable of exerting influence on the environmental agenda. Sadie is uniquely qualified to take on this challenge. As opposed to Griffin who is the last man on Earth not to believe in global warming.

So in conclusion as they say I can't see how this information, if accurate, does anything but massively strengthen Sadie as a proposition for the chair.

[blueblood1920]

Sadie Graham is now a lepper in Nationalism, they have lost much credability. Some of their closest friends have now returned to the fold and deserted their 'Voice of Change' group, Sadie and her fellor have been shown to be liars and untrustworthy. She may have been led up the garden path by bad apples, but someone so easily lead astray is no person who could become a leader of a political party. I will be honest I used to see her as a potential leader but since then we have seen sides to her that we were unable to see in the past.

Now back on topic, who are the numpties voting 'Brilliant'? Nigel Farage a member of this forum?

[Wowbanger TIP]

You have made a case on this very forum. We are not talking about morals or winning sarguments. The establishment want cheap labour and world markets. They pretend it is for moral reasons like over coming prejudice but that is window dressing. What we are really in is a clash of prejudices.
That is why there is no fair debate: neither side understsands the other. Those you mention would not be strong enough to take the insults and the personal danger. I disagree with your attitude of choosing a woman because it is politically fashionable. What else would you advocate to conform to the establishment line? It is capitulating to femimism.

We are talking about morals and winning arguments, much the same thing anyway. In order to win the support of the electorate it is imperative to win the "war of ideas" first, and only then can you advance to the bonus round of playing politics on the streets. Fortunately since all systems and standards of morality including pragmatism unambiguously back the nationalist analysis this is no great challenge.

I would agree that the principle motivation of the political elite is the meaningless concept of "economic growth". They will justify almost any action which they believe will continue to keep the GDP figure rising. This is almost a religion to them, they believe in it and will sacrifice almost anything to maintain it. Perhaps because somewhere in their political subconscious they know that failure to meet expectation is the single most dangerous threat to their continued rule.

I don't believe this is a clash of prejudices, on the one hand is the dogmatic, obsolete, intellectually bankrupt, contradictory and immoral orthodoxy of the elite and on the other a proven organic system based on morality and reality.

I can see no evidence what so ever that any of the three potential candidates I named lack courage, all of them have been front line activists and leaders and none have ever took the easy way out. In marked contrast to Griffin who dares not leave his house without bevy of minders in attendance and who has done only the barest minimum in order to erect the filmiest screen against the charge of dereliction of duty. Most notably and recently in the shameful surrender at Crewe.

I haven't capitulated to feminism. I do not demand a female leader for the BNP, indeed feminists would probably argue that since women made up only a third of my shortlist I was institutional misogynistic. I accept the political reality that woman have intrinsically useful connotations with the public, particularly for the BNP who desperately need to challenge perceptions. Although I suppose as the only Party with a disabled leader the BNP's record on equal opportunities is superior to most. In any case Sadie's CV hardly relies on her sex as her only recommendation.

It is not slavishly conforming to the ideological agenda of the elite because I acknowledge the political usefulness of a female leader. Moreover to reject a female leader for no better because it is consistent with elite orthodox opinion is to cede control of your own beliefs and actions to the opposition. You can not oppose everything the Establishment support just because they support it, that's just stupid.

[Anthony Butcher]

Back on to topic please.

[mrabody]

Back on to topic please.

Why would you go and say that?

I rather enjoy the spectacle of BNPers and ex=BNPers squabbling amongst themselves. Makes a nice diversion from UKIPers and ex-UKIPers squabbling amongst themselves.

[Wowbanger TIP]

Sadie Graham is now a lepper in Nationalism, they have lost much credability. Some of their closest friends have now returned to the fold and deserted their 'Voice of Change' group, Sadie and her fellor have been shown to be liars and untrustworthy. She may have been led up the garden path by bad apples, but someone so easily lead astray is no person who could become a leader of a political party. I will be honest I used to see her as a potential leader but since then we have seen sides to her that we were unable to see in the past.

Now back on topic, who are the numpties voting 'Brilliant'? Nigel Farage a member of this forum?

Is she as big a leper as say Mark Collett? In your opinion? Is she a big a leper as Mr Griffin is with the British public? Do you think?

Was she show up to be as bad a lier as Mr Darby when he described her group as both Reds and Nazis in the same breath?

I have yet to see any evidence of anything which reflects badly on Sadie, Steve Bake or anyone remotely connected to VoC group. If you have pray enlighten me. Which is a lot more than can be said for Griffin and his pals.

Henley was a poor result for UKIP but as compared to the Grayham affair it was a unsurpassed triumph.

NB voting brilliant in this poll. It's called irony. Some people find it amusing.

[Wowbanger TIP]

Back on to topic please.

Since we have two threads on an identical subject would it not be resonable to re-assign one to the product of the organic evolution of those threads? Maybe by renaming it? Suggest "was 3.6% a good result for the BNP?".

[a swansong 4 europe]

No doubt you would enjoy that with your "no, it was a load of b*llocks" type of answer.

[HFTF]

Terrible result for UKIP. It really is hard to see where they go from here. UKIP must be dreading the Euro election.
A wipe out of all UKIP MEPs looks more likely than ever.

UKIP spent to much time trying to get themselves accepted by the establishment. Going ''native'' has done UKIP no good at all.

A leadership challenged from someone who is not afraid of being called a ''little Englander'' or ''a racist'' would give UKIP some hope.
But it's not going to happen.

[komerad]

Are the hierachy aware that there was an election in Henley on June 26th ?
Still no mention on the main UKIP so called website, perhaps they didn't know about it