Low Birth Rate Countries Giving Up on Existence

[InnocentNewborn]

There is no 'covert view'. My only input was to delineate the differences between existence of the individual, and existence of the 'people'. It was the use of the word existence in the title that motivated me here.

If you want a specific answer, you need to ask a specific question.

Specifically: are the Japanese disappearing?

I already know the correct answer to that. But do you?

[LilyThePink]

Specifically: are the Japanese disappearing?

I already know the correct answer to that. But do you?

Japanese individuals are disappearing (dying). As to whether the Japanese nation is dying, that's a different thing. Populations wax and wane all the time, sometimes a nation could be stronger for a having less population. Plenty of WN types have said that Britain would be stonger (healthier) if certain types of white individuals were not around any more.

This is also about the static vs dynamic view of a people as I said earlier.

[InnocentNewborn]

Japanese individuals are disappearing (dying). As to whether the Japanese nation is dying, that's a different thing. Populations wax and wane all the time, sometimes a nation could be stronger for a having less population. Plenty of WN types have said that Britain would be stonger (healthier) if certain types of white individuals were not around any more.

This is also about the static vs dynamic view of a people as I said earlier.

Why is it, in your view, that a population with a birth rate of 1.3 has historically always become extinct?

Think about women being needed to reproduce the next generation - the consequences of a narrow bottleneck - the fact that menopause prevents reproduction - and the fact that the trend show no sign of not continuing ever downwards as well as that presently 2.1 is replacement level.

If you continually half something, it will disappear eventually. So are you speculating a reversal of this?

[LilyThePink]

Why is it, in your view, that a population with a birth rate of 1.3 has historically always become extinct?

Err...summink to do wiv maffs innit?

Think about women being needed to reproduce the next generation - the consequences of a narrow bottleneck - the fact that menopause prevents reproduction - and the fact that the trend show no sign of not continuing ever downwards as well as that presently 2.1 is replacement level.

If you continually half something, it will disappear eventually. So are you speculating a reversal of this?

Actually, mathematically, this is wrong, in the analogue sense anyway. This would be true of a set with discrete elements, as in populations of individuals.
We've been here before though, many times, what you are doing here is extrapolating in a linear fashion, and such a thing rarely happens in nature.

Of course I'm not suggesting that the reverse is true, that would be just wrong.

[InnocentNewborn]

You are postulating that we should expect an unprecedented reversal of a trend, causing a population to re-surge and repopulate Japan or for the less than replacement level birth rate to suddenly recover and allow stability. Silly Lilly.

[LilyThePink]

You are postulating that we should expect an unprecedented reversal of a trend, causing a population to re-surge and repopulate Japan or for the less than replacement level birth rate to suddenly recover and allow stability. Silly Lilly.

Like I said, populations can wax and wane. Not saying it will happen, especially not suddenly, but it could happen.. Save some great disaster, I would expect population to level out at some point.

[For_England]

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/08/0...x-survey-says/

If you exclude the immigrant element from Britain the picture is not much different. It is just more noticeable in Japan as they have very little immigration - so they should find it easier to see their own personal failure rather than blame the demographic change on incomers who reproduce.

LAF, I don't understand the Green Party logo. You don't support them presumably?

[LilyThePink]

So LAF, what is your stance on the Green Party? Or was using their logo just a random thing?

[LilyThePink]

Is it perhaps that you are trying to bring the Green Party into disrepute?

[InnocentNewborn]

I was looking for a logo and that one is easy to upload as it is in the section of this site where you can just click on a logo to make it your avatar. I support environmentalism (as anyone sane should) and the only recognised environmentalist party in Britain is the Green Party.

However they also support a number of policies at the present moment that I disagree with. I vote for the Greens on occasion and would get more involved in such a party as they come to their senses regarding the need to connect the impact of mass immigration with non-green consequences on a number of levels.

I think that some on here, like Lily, think that because I don't support mass immigration I cannot possibly be concerned with environmental issues or be "Green" in any sense. LOL