Low Birth Rate Countries Giving Up on Existence

[InnocentNewborn]

For the past few years, Japan has been in a fuss about soushoku danshi, literally translated as “herbivore boys.” These are young men who represent the antithesis of the rowdy, skirt-chasing, big-spending corporate man associated with the 1980s bubble economy: they’re passive, conservative with money, prefer to stay in instead of going out drinking with coworkers and are generally uninterested in sex.

Such personal lifestyle choices wouldn’t be considered problematic if Japanese society wasn’t struggling with a declining birthrate and low consumer spending. But when an ever-increasing portion of your male population is enjoying their evening with a cup of tea at the local manga cafe when you need them to be out buying cars and procreating, you’ve got a situation on your hands.
To make matters worse, a survey conducted by The Japanese Association for Sex Education (JASE) reveals that the number of young Japanese women who have had sex has decreased dramatically over the past 6 years.
Perhaps the ladies of Japan have finally given up on trying to get their male counterparts into bed and joined convent themselves.

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/08/0...x-survey-says/

If you exclude the immigrant element from Britain the picture is not much different. It is just more noticeable in Japan as they have very little immigration - so they should find it easier to see their own personal failure rather than blame the demographic change on incomers who reproduce.

[LilyThePink]

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/08/0...x-survey-says/

If you exclude the immigrant element from Britain the picture is not much different. It is just more noticeable in Japan as they have very little immigration - so they should find it easier to see their own personal failure rather than blame the demographic change on incomers who reproduce.

This is really reliant on Henry et al's definition of 'existence'. It could be argued that their defintion is a stagnant nation set in aspic, and one that never changes. It is this failure to see a nation as being dynamic that really is their downfall.

The nation still 'exists' it's just very different, mainly due to those who will not accept change, and therefore relinquish any possible control over this.

[InnocentNewborn]

LTP how about existence meaning "being alive" in the sense of having an animated physical form of some sort?

You seem to forget that living creatures need to reproduce in order for them to have future generations. But as long as you never put that into practice all's well.

[LilyThePink]

LTP how about existence meaning "being alive" in the sense of having an animated physical form of some sort?

You seem to forget that living creatures need to reproduce in order for them to have future generations. But as long as you never put that into practice all's well.

That is my definition too. It 's just that Henry's crowd seem to define existence as being of the folk or culture, with the individual taking a much lesser position. I thought this is the one you were driving at, people not replacing themselves is not the same as them dying (giving up on existence).

[InnocentNewborn]

That is my definition too. It 's just that Henry's crowd seem to define existence as being of the folk or culture, with the individual taking a much lesser position. I thought this is the one you were driving at, people not replacing themselves is not the same as them dying (giving up on existence).

It is the normal human perception that when an ethnic group dies out they died out. How difficult is it for you to grasp? LOL
A nation is not defined as a piece of land but as a people - hence how you can have a nation without a nation state and without a land.

Some readers of this thread may be in a state of disbelief over the message you are putting out which is that whatever and whoever (although presumably they would have to be humans rather than actual rodents for eg) live in the space in Japan that the Japanese nation at present occupy will automatically be "The Japanese Nation" and no nation will have ceased to exist.

This is why, if Britain becomes majority Pakistani Muslim, and these are called "British", or another race comes in, wipes out all others but retains the name "British", then you would claim that these new "British" are the British nation.

Officially, no population with a birth rate less than 1.3 children per woman has ever "survived".

[LilyThePink]

It is the normal human perception that when an ethnic group dies out they died out. How difficult is it for you to grasp? LOL
A nation is not defined as a piece of land but as a people - hence how you can have a nation without a nation state and without a land.

Most 'normal human perception' relates to the individual and extended family group/ tribe and not much further. It seems to me that you are now mixing up the two senses of the word 'existence' that we took pains to delineate above.
Also, you have just introduced the word nation out of the blue, it was not present before.

Some readers of this thread may be in a state of disbelief over the message you are putting out which is that whatever and whoever (although presumably they would have to be humans rather than actual rodents for eg) live in the space in Japan that the Japanese nation at present occupy will automatically be "The Japanese Nation" and no nation will have ceased to exist.

I haven't put over any 'message', again you are speculating, and building conclusions based on that. Slow down

[InnocentNewborn]

So why do you disagree with the many articles in the media pointing out that Japan has a devastating birth rate and the Japanese population appears to be doomed? Can you spell it out rather than expect people to read between the lines?

[LilyThePink]

So why do you disagree with the many articles in the media pointing out that Japan has a devastating birth rate and the Japanese population appears to be doomed? Can you spell it out rather than expect people to read between the lines?

I haven't disagreed with anything LAF. Will you please stop inventing opinions for me, I keep pointing this out, but you carry on doing it.

[InnocentNewborn]

I haven't disagreed with anything LAF. Will you please stop inventing opinions for me, I keep pointing this out, but you carry on doing it.

Clearly, Robbo, I need to have your view spelled out instead of reading between the lines. The overt message from you was clear, but apparently I missed the covert one which is a different one entirely. Help me.

[LilyThePink]

Clearly, Robbo, I need to have your view spelled out instead of reading between the lines. The overt message from you was clear, but apparently I missed the covert one which is a different one entirely. Help me.

There is no 'covert view'. My only input was to delineate the differences between existence of the individual, and existence of the 'people'. It was the use of the word existence in the title that motivated me here.

If you want a specific answer, you need to ask a specific question.