Making a virtue out of the need to cut further

[CB100]

I was listening to Frank Field talking about this issue yesterday. Basically he agrees with David Cameron but says that to be able to stop people getting welfare benefits, there have to be jobs for them to do.

He says you can't do wholesale cuts to benefits without reversing the number of immigrants that come in and take up the jobs. Apparently 9 out of 10 of all new jobs created under Labour went to immigrants.

Perhaps you'd like to stop and think a bit. So they stop housing benefit for thousands of single parents. Are you going to let the children go without the things they need or take them into care at a cost of £1,000 a week each?

Or do you imagine that stopping housing benefit would suddenly become some form of idealogical contraception and stop young women getting pregnant? It's all very well targetting benefits and it's all very well cutting them in some cases but as the government's present disastrous welfare reforms have shown,very little is saved and unless every case is treated individually, suffering of the innocent is often the result.

What you have to failed to notice is that this government is very good at divide and conquer,setting one group against another,the disabled against the fit, the worker against the unemployed,the highly paid worker against the lower paid worker. Even today in the tabloid press we read of "wealthy pensioners " who aren't suffering but ought to be because everyone else is. Most of these are people who have worked and saved all their lives for what they have.

If you can't see that and can't see exactly why they are doing it then you need to rethink. Because believe you me sunshine,eventually they'll get around to you and decide that you shouldn't get what you may be entitled to either. It may not be until you are old ,or need medical treatment,or a home or a job but it will come.As sure as God made little apples. Mark my words.

[lankou]

I was listening to Frank Field talking about this issue yesterday. Basically he agrees with David Cameron but says that to be able to stop people getting welfare benefits, there have to be jobs for them to do.
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That is the reality of the situation.

[Millennium3]

that is more or less what the EU are threatening to do, with its tax on financial transactions, which we oppose because of the advantages of operating our own '' off shore tax haven'' virtue of the city of london

The FTT is something completely different - as you say this is on the transactions that take place in the City of London. It is corporation tax that is lost from these global corporations. If the goods and services they provide were provided by small and medium sized UK companies, they would not have the resources to set up the complex tax avoidance schemes that the giant corporations have arranged - and most of the corporation tax due would be collected. However, nothing can be done to correct this whilst we are in the EU.

Nevertheless, it is this huge loss of tax revenue that requires the severe cut backs in public provided services and is certainly no virtue in very many instances - primarily it is ideological.

[angelman]

That is the reality of the situation.

I think it a little more complicated than that. The bit you did not copy is also pertinent. The jobs created that go to migrants are often very low paid (minimum wage) which British people find too low to set up home and have a family. A lot of migrants, who are often here short term, are prepared to live in very cramped conditions so that they can lower their over heads as much as possible to save as much money and send it back home. These conditions might be suitable for backpackers and migrant workers, but not really appropriate for long term families.

The cost of living, just taking the basics of hosing and essential services and food, are I suspect nigh on impossible to cover on a minimum wage. If a family has two earners that might be possible, but when children are involved, you either go down to one earner or have to get prohibitively expensive child care in.

[Traditionalist]

If they follow your advice in sufficient numbers, David Cameron will be able to meet his target of getting net immigration down to the tens of thousands from the hundreds of thousands.

Another tick in the box?

Well if you replace 600,000 British people with the same number most of which will be African or Asian ill be happy to leave you to it.

[Traditionalist]

Really? I have you checked on whether any of them are letting anyone in, (especially Denmark.)

All of them are.

[lankou]

All of them are.

I would check a bit more closely if I were you, especially Denmark, immigrants are not welcomed.

[Traditionalist]

As regards immigration if a pre-De Klerk South Africa still existed I would imagine hundreds of thousands of Brits would be moving there now.
Same goes for Rhodesia.

[Traditionalist]

I would check a bit more closely if I were you, especially Denmark, immigrants are not welcomed.

They are around 400,000 immigrants there already with more pouring in.
Besides it is an EU member so would be easy to move there, live there and work there.

[lankou]

They are around 400,000 immigrants there already with more pouring in.
Besides it is an EU member so would be easy to move there, live there and work there.

You are missing the point the general public in Denmark hates immigrants.