Dutch upper house rejects ban on ritual slaughter

[TheCally]

You're right, there is nothing to like about halal meat.

You have to ask yourself a question, why is Muslamic food, always covered in curry sauce or minced up like a kebab? Because the poor animal tenses up as it's having its throat slit and the meat then becomes as tough as old boots. So it either has to be shredded or broken down in curry sauce.

Let's face it, Muslamic food isn't known for a nice t-bone steak, is it.

That's ******** and you know it.If that was the case them the same thing would also happen in to the meat from animals stunned.
It's true that stunning the animal releases adrenaline which also effects the taste of the meat.
The poor animals are stressed out with the smell and noise of the other animals getting killed around them. This happens in "western" slaughterhouse.

[TheCally]

The relevant fact is that there are those who do not really care, and only appeared to care because it gave their existence some purpose, and allowed them to justify their hate. It could be argued that this particular purpose wasn't so bad, and even showed a caring nature in some ways. That all changed when they openly supported Religious Ritual Slaughter, just so they can gain the support of Islamists.

The relevant point is that ALL animals are slaughtered by having their throats slit which renders your argument null and void. So you little attempt to sensationalise the issue by say "Slitting the throats of animals is perfectly fine to the UAF usual suspects" just show how ill-informed you really what yuor real motive is.
But at least it show that pseudo concern of the EDL supporters on here who claim to be vegetarian and against animal cruelty is just an excuse to attack those who they see as foreign invaders and has nothing to do with campaigning to end the slaughter of all animals which the real animal rights people are aiming for.
I did see any of the EDL at the anti KFC protest at Burnley a few month ago , hang wait this was a geunine protest against animal cruelty and not just aimed at muslims.

[Rebirth]

The relevant point is that ALL animals are slaughtered by having their throats slit which renders your argument null and void.

Factually incorrect.

So you little attempt to sensationalise the issue by say "Slitting the throats of animals is perfectly fine to the UAF usual suspects" just show how ill-informed you really what yuor real motive is.

How is it ill-informed when you and the UAF support Islamic Ritual Slaughter in England. Is it just because you hate the EDL more? I reject all religious animal slaughter. If you want to dig out ulterior motives, try looking a little closer to home.

But at least it show that pseudo concern of the EDL supporters on here who claim to be vegetarian and against animal cruelty is just an excuse to attack those who they see as foreign invaders and has nothing to do with campaigning to end the slaughter of all animals which the real animal rights people are aiming for.
I did see any of the EDL at the anti KFC protest at Burnley a few month ago , hang wait this was a geunine protest against animal cruelty and not just aimed at muslims.

This is just your painted false reality, filled in with vaque claims.

[TheCally]

Factually incorrect.

Ok tell me how are animal slaughtered in the "western" method?

How is it ill-informed when you and the UAF support Islamic Ritual Slaughter in England. Is it just because you hate the EDL more? I reject all religious animal slaughter. If you want to dig out ulterior motives, try looking a little closer to home.

I reject all animal slaughter and campaign against it. Know just because I refuse to use ritual slaughter as a cover to attack certain sections of society with doesn't mean you are right.

[Rebirth]

Ok tell me how are animal slaughtered in the "western" method?

You said ALL animals are slaughtered by having their throats slit. Some are shot, some are gassed, some are swug around in the mouth of a predator. However, in the west they are, by law, rendered unconcious, but religion is exempt from this law on religious grounds.

I reject all animal slaughter and campaign against it. Know just because I refuse to use ritual slaughter as a cover to attack certain sections of society with doesn't mean you are right.

You claim to be opposed to it, but you don't oppose it. You just attack others who do with wild accusations.

[TheCally]

You said ALL animals are slaughtered by having their throats slit. Some are shot, some are gassed, some are swug around in the mouth of a predator. However, in the west they are, by law, rendered unconcious, but religion is exempt from this law on religious grounds.

when I asked the question "Pray tell how are the animals killed in the "humane" weatern slaughter method?" in post number 8 of this thread it was obvious we were discussing the practices and methods in slaughterhouse.
when I said "The relevant point is that ALL animals are slaughtered by having their throats slit which renders your argument null and void." it was pretty obvious I was still on about the pratices and methods in slaughterhouses.
But because yet again you've been proven wrong you restort to childish method to derail the discussion.

You claim to be opposed to it, but you don't oppose it. You just attack others who do with wild accusations

Ok tell me what I do away from this forum in regards protesting against ritual slaughter? you don't know do you . I know that i've never seen you post anything condemning other methods of ritual slaughter other then halal.

[Rebirth]

when I asked the question "Pray tell how are the animals killed in the "humane" weatern slaughter method?" in post number 8 of this thread it was obvious we were discussing the practices and methods in slaughterhouse.
when I said "The relevant point is that ALL animals are slaughtered by having their throats slit which renders your argument null and void." it was pretty obvious I was still on about the pratices and methods in slaughterhouses.
But because yet again you've been proven wrong you restort to childish method to derail the discussion.

Since when is stating it was 'Factually incorrect' or my followup an insult, or the other drivel you just screamed? You are still factually incorrect because they also use gas, which is why you are losing the plot. Amusing.

Ok tell me what I do away from this forum in regards protesting against ritual slaughter? you don't know do you . I know that i've never seen you post anything condemning other methods of ritual slaughter other then halal.

That is because you only see what you choose to see, because reality and fantasy are the same thing. I oppose Jewish methods too, but the difference is that the scale of forced halal is enormous, and much of the time the public were unaware because they were not informed/asked.

[magwash]

HALAL SLAUGHTER


Posted 11 November 2010

In 11 November's Daily Mail, Danny Penman writes of his undercover visit to a British Halal slaughterhouse, where he witnessed goats and sheep being killed without having first been stunned. The sights and sounds he witnessed –‘pitiful bleating and gurgling sounds as they choke on their own blood’ – stayed with him for days.

It is right to be outraged at this needless suffering of animals. But it is wrong to think that stunning animals before their throats are cut renders the whole process humane. Animal Aid’s recent undercover filming inside seven UK slaughterhouses, all of which stun animals, showed unbearable suffering, much of it caused by the stun process itself. Sending a bolt into the brain or trying to clamp electric tongs around the head of an animal who is moving doesn’t guarantee a swift loss of consciousness. On the contrary – it can cause immense additional suffering.

Animal Aid cannot judge whether one method is less appalling than the other. But it is clear that both methods cause terrible suffering and are wholly unnecessary.

[Road_Hog]

HALAL SLAUGHTER

It is right to be outraged at this needless suffering of animals. But it is wrong to think that stunning animals before their throats are cut renders the whole process humane.

Denise, please answer this question honestly.

If I said to you, you are about to be executed and your throat will be slit, but you have the choice of me using a bolt gun on you, to render you unconscious first. Would you prefer the bolt gun to be used, or your throat slit fully conscious?

[magwash]

Animal Aid cannot judge whether one method is less appalling than the other.