The Outrageous Racist Hypocrisy of Israel and World Zionism!

[Tillerman]

Would you be kind enough to translate that into English? My Rosetta Stone's out for cleaning.

[Gaucho]

Not so Tillerman, so called Holocaust denial[sic] stems from a recognition that war is a ghastly and bloody business in which all sides commit atrocities. War is in fact a process in which both sides commit atrocious acts against their opponenets with the aim of either terrorising them into submission or exterminating them if they continue to resist. To therefore claim that any one side in a war is uniquely evil as a result of causing deaths among the opposing side is therefore somewhat disingenuous.

It is therefore rather hypocritical of Allies who took part in the carpet bombing of the civilian residential areas of German cities that had no military value, to then get on their high horse about allegations that Jewish civilians had been killed in concentration camps. There is no moral difference between dropping a high explosive bomb on a house full of terrified German civilians and allegedly sprinkling Zyklon B pellets into the ventilation shaft of a crudely made gas chamber. Both actions would have been committed with the intention of killing innocent civilians; old men; women; and children.

We should now examine the logic of the allegations made. Germany was during the second half of WWII beset on all sides by Allied armies that were vastly stronger numerically, to such an extent that they would have routinely been outnumbered by three to one. Consequently, Germany was desperately short of manpower as all available able bodied men had been enlisted into the military. The German war effort relied upon slave labour, predominantly the labour provided by the inmates of the concentration camps.

Therefore, while it is beyond dispute that large numbers of concentration camp inmates died tragically in the closing stages of the war, due to disease and malnutition resulting from the destruction of German infrastructure by Allied bombing, it would have been completely illogical for the Germans, a nation renouned for their relentless logic, to have wasted time and resources exterminating a large proportion of their slave labour force.

Given that evidence of a deliberate policy of extermination is non-existent, other than for the often inaccurate, often self-contradictory and enormously histrionic accounts of Jewish ex-inmates, all of whom stand to benefit financially from a believe that they had suffered grave injustice at the hands of the Nazis, and given that the mechanism so described for the alleged extermination is so preposterously 'Heath Robinson' and totally out of character for the Germans, a nation renouned for their engineering prowess, any objective observer would regard the allegations of deliberate genocide as unreliable, at the very least.

Had the Nazis actually wished to exterminate the Jews, then as I have explained elsewhere, they could, without recourse to elaborate technology, have built a single industrial abattoir, which could have dispatched six million people within a little over a month. There would have been no need to divert vast resources and manpower to this task over a prolonged period - it would have been one abattoir, one month, job done!

Lastly, given that in the aftermath of WWII millions of German POWs were shipped off to slave labour camps in Siberia and Canada and elswhere, many never to return, and the German people were deliberately kept in conditions of deliberate starvation under the Morgenthau Plan (JCS 1067) and that between 1945 and 1948, 7 million German people apparently 'disappeared', those who promote the Jewish Holocaust as a uniquely evil event, are on very shaky ground indeed.

How are you today papa 'the midget' luigi?
GG

[Petrosal]

How are you today papa 'the midget' luigi?
GG

Surely he isn't a tiny insignificant nothing?

Papa Mitty Squeegee tells people on here he is 3 metres tall (or something like that).

[Franken]

Germany, Germany above all,
Above everything in the world,
When always, for protection,
We stand together as brothers.
From the Maas to the Memel
From the Etsch to the Belt
Germany, Germany above all
Above all in the world.


Any closer? No. OK German-Danish border area i.e. Holstein.

[Petrosal]

Germany, Germany above all,
Above everything in the world,
When always, for protection,
We stand together as brothers.
From the Maas to the Memel
From the Etsch to the Belt
Germany, Germany above all
Above all in the world.

Italy thought different tonight.

[Tillerman]

Any closer? No. OK German-Danish border area i.e. Holstein.

Ah, that Belt. Well, it's not a very common term to describe extreme Northern Germany.

But yes, I was born a couple of hundred meters from the Danish border, in Flensburg. Pretty much everybody in my family were born between there and Hamburg, though some of them from the more northerly range self-identified as Danes. There was a hotly contested plebiscite held in the early 1920s to decide whether Schleswig-Holstein was going to be governed by Germany or Denmark. Germany won, but the northern part of the area, where most of my maternal relatives come from, retained a lot of connections with Denmark, both culturally and linguistically.

What they shared with my father's Schleswig/Hamburg side of the family was their commitment to Social Democratic politics, which is how my parents met. A number of their elders, from both sides of the family, sat in state legislatures under the SPD banner. Others, on my mother's side, taught in the universities of Kiel and Lübeck. That is, until the Nazis began imprisoning their political opposition and members of their families in the early 1930s.

[Franken]

Ah, that Belt. Well, it's not a very common term to describe extreme Northern Germany.

But yes, I was born a couple of hundred meters from the Danish border, in Flensburg. Pretty much everybody in my family were born between there and Hamburg, though some of them from the more northerly range self-identified as Danes. There was a hotly contested plebiscite held in the early 1920s to decide whether Schleswig-Holstein was going to be governed by Germany or Denmark. Germany won, but the northern part of the area, where most of my maternal relatives come from, retained a lot of connections with Denmark, both culturally and linguistically.

What they shared with my father's Schleswig/Hamburg side of the family was their commitment to Social Democratic politics, which is how my parents met. A number of their elders, from both sides of the family, sat in state legislatures under the SPD banner. Others, on my mother's side, taught in the universities of Kiel and Lübeck. That is, until the Nazis began imprisoning their political opposition and members of their families in the early 1930s.

Of course 'Belt' was a little test. I see that it has drawn you out a little. The Belt area has, as you say, been an area of controversy, with German speakers now on the Danish side, alongside the border and Danes on the German side. Is there a dialect which they all use along this border area?
Flensburg? Interesting for the 'Flensburg Government'. Luebeck interesting for the Manns, das Tor (I've got pictures which I took of it) and having a sweat tooth, Luebecker Mazipan which I still buy from time to time at the local Aldi.

[Tillerman]

Of course 'Belt' was a little test.

I see. Did I pass?

I see that it has drawn you out a little. The Belt area has, as you say, been an area of controversy, with German speakers now on the Danish side, alongside the border and Danes on the German side. Is there a dialect which they all use along this border area?

Not a dialect, but a distinct language that's very old-- Plattdüütsch/Niedersachsisch/Lower Saxon-- which itself has several dialects. It was close to disappearing in the mid-twentieth century, but in recent years it's enjoyed something of a revival. Radio Bremen offers an excellent online course in Plattdüütsch for German speakers. The most common dialect, in that it has the most speakers, is the Hamburg dialect that differs very little from that spoken north of there. The Friesian dialect of Platt is more common in the North Sea islands and the Netherlands.

Flensburg? Interesting for the 'Flensburg Government'. Luebeck interesting for the Manns, das Tor (I've got pictures which I took of it) and having a sweat tooth, Luebecker Mazipan which I still buy from time to time at the local Aldi.

I've spent a lot of time in the area, especially over the past 20 years or so. Glückstadt, where I have a great many relatives, is one of my very favorite little towns on the planet. I often bring a lot of marzipan home from Lübeck because it's quite expensive where I live.

[Papa Luigi]

See the first sentence of the third paragraph in post # 92. QED. I rest my case.

Very disappointing Andrew, I notice that you don't have the courage to contest any one of the assertions I make.

And before anybody asks, I am not a lawyer.

I wouldn't think there's much danger of anyone asking that.

[Papa Luigi]

How are you today papa 'the midget' luigi?
GG

Surely he isn't a tiny insignificant nothing?

Papa Mitty Squeegee tells people on here he is 3 metres tall (or something like that).

I think if I were a 'tiny insignificant' 'midget', Goucho and Pedro would feel sorry for me and leave me alone.

Others will draw their own conclusions as to why Goucho and Pedro feel compelled to constantly attack me in the childish way that they do.