Are we anti-Europe or anti-EU ?

[SDP]

Europe
It is my opinion that people now call the EU the shortened name of Europe now on the TV.

Eg

1/ This regulation came from Europe
2/ Immigration from Europe
3/ The crisis in Europe
4/ We dont want to be governed by Europe
5/ In Europe but not governed by Europe
6/ Europe is the word that the TV now uses

People know what Europe is, but no-one even me understands what the EU is all about.
When you say the word European Union there is a switch that clicks off and people lose interest.
But of you say Britain is being threatened by laws from Europe evey one understatnds.

The threat from Europe is real, just look at the history of these islands.
The Roman Empire
The Viking invasions
Viking rule in Britain
William the Conquerer 1066
Hitler
The Kaiser
Napoleon
The Spanish Armada
100 year war with France
Admial Lord Nelson fought the French

Fear of Europe is in our bones and in our gutts.
The English have an instinctive fear of Europe.
And rightly so we have fought wars against Europe all through our history

Being anti-EU is interlectual
Being anti-Europe is emotional

It could make a big difference to the charisma of our leaflets.

[bornfree]

The English have an instinctive fear of Europe.

Not in my name, as they say.
A well-justified contempt for the EU project and EU politicians, maybe, but certainly not fear of Europe.

Being anti-EU is interlectual

interlectual

Love it, funniest thing I've read so far today.

[SDP]

Not in my name, as they say.
A well-justified contempt for the EU project and EU politicians, maybe, but certainly not fear of Europe.

Love it, funniest thing I've read so far today.

bornfree

Being anti-EU is intellectual. Thank you for that correction. But you missed my main point.

Being afraid of the invader from Europe has been in our blood for over 2000 years.

BRITAIN HAS EVERY REASON TO FEAR EUROPE

Would have been born free under the Roman Empire occupation of Britain and national slavery.

Would you have been born free when the Vikings ruled Britain, with their motto rape and pillage.

Would you have been born free when William the Conquerer ruled Britain, when he treated the British worse than cattle, and his noblemen raped English brides on their wedding night, by right of law.

Would you have been born free it the Spanish Armarda had defeated Drake.

Would you have been born free if the French had defeated Admiral Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar.

Would you have been born free if Napoleon had defeated Wellington at the battle of Waterloo.

Would you have been born free if the Kaiser had won World War I.

Would you have been born free if we had lost the Battle of Britain.

Would you have been born free if Hitler had won World War II.

Would you have been born free if Stalin had imposed Communism across the whole of Europe.

Britain has spent the last 2000 years fighting off European domination, and the British rightly have a fear of the invader from Europe.

[Steve Morson]

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BRITAIN HAS EVERY REASON TO FEAR EUROPE

Would have been born free under the Roman Empire occupation of Britain and national slavery.....

I have absolutely no reason to fear geographical continents of separate nations. I am scared ****less of what people might do, especially ones I didn't elect into office.

A European Union is a splendid idea. The European Union is an abomination of the purest evil, that must not just be opposed, but dismantled. And soon, before it creates any more poverty and damage.

[Solymir]

BRITAIN HAS EVERY REASON TO FEAR EUROPE

Would have been born free under the Roman Empire occupation of Britain and national slavery.

Would you have been born free when the Vikings ruled Britain, with their motto rape and pillage.

Would you have been born free when William the Conquerer ruled Britain, when he treated the British worse than cattle, and his noblemen raped English brides on their wedding night, by right of law.

Would you have been born free it the Spanish Armarda had defeated Drake.

Would you have been born free if the French had defeated Admiral Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar.

Would you have been born free if Napoleon had defeated Wellington at the battle of Waterloo.

Would you have been born free if the Kaiser had won World War I.

Would you have been born free if we had lost the Battle of Britain.

Would you have been born free if Hitler had won World War II.

Would you have been born free if Stalin had imposed Communism across the whole of Europe.

Britain has spent the last 2000 years fighting off European domination, and the British rightly have a fear of the invader from Europe.

Pretty sure life under the Roman Empire was a darn sight better than life in general as a Briton.
Pretty sure England came out of the 100 Years War better than the French did.
Even if the UK had lost the Battle of Britain, the Third Reich would never have been able to extend into Great Britain (at least not far, and at least not for long [less than months]).
Same with the Kaiser and World War I.

Also, what is with making about 6 posts, when you could just make 1?

[SDP]

Pretty sure life under the Roman Empire was a darn sight better than life in general as a Briton.
Pretty sure England came out of the 100 Years War better than the French did.
Even if the UK had lost the Battle of Britain, the Third Reich would never have been able to extend into Great Britain (at least not far, and at least not for long [less than months]).
Same with the Kaiser and World War I.

Also, what is with making about 6 posts, when you could just make 1?

Solymir

1/ The Roman Empire was based on slavery. Not many slaves are happy with their lives.

2/ The Hundred Years War with France 1337-1453 ended with complete defeat for Britain.

3/ Britain defeated Adolf Hitler but this was more by luck than judgement.

4/ The USA saved Europe from the Germans in both world wars, not Britain.

5/ Britian has been fighting wars in Europe for 2000 years, and it takes more that one post to cover 2000 years of continuous conflict.

[SDP]

Spanish Armada 1588

Spain tried to conquer Britain in 1588. Spain sent the Spanish Armada along the English Channel to attack Britain, but this was defeated by Sir Francis Drake in 1588.

[Solymir]

Solymir

1/ The Roman Empire was based on slavery. Not many slaves are happy with their lives.

2/ The Hundred Years War with France 1337-1453 ended with complete defeat for Britain.

3/ Britain defeated Adolf Hitler but this was more by luck than judgement.

4/ The USA saved Europe from the Germans in both world wars, not Britain.

5/ Britian has been fighting wars in Europe for 2000 years, and it takes more that one post to cover 2000 years of continuous conflict.

1 - There is more than one type of slave - not all slaves are treated equally. Sure life for some slaves in the Roman times (miners, labourers etc) will have been very grim, but I'm willing to bet that life as an average slave wasn't as bad as you seem to think that it was. The slave owner has paid money for you - it isn't exactly in his interest for you to not be in a fit state to work as long as possible.

2 -
a) Britain did not exist for 2 centuries.
b) Complete defeat is going a little far. Yes we lost most of our territory, but territory isn't the be all and end all. As a result of the war, France's population declined by approximately 50%, much of her countryside was devastated as a result of our chevauchée policy. By the end of the war, England was at the forefront of new military tactics. Heavy cavalry (which the French army was heavily based around) had had it's day.

3 - The CCCP defeated Germany, not Britain. We merely held out, and were a staging post for Operation Overlord.

4 - The USA saved Europe in World War I, far less so in World War II. Still irrelevant to the thread anyway.

5 - Not really, you just need to structure it well to avoid it being TL;DR

P.S. I find the terms World War I/II silly given that they were not the first and second world wars

[flamingreen]

Ha! An intersting slant, and valid viewpoint SDP.

[internetcynic]

Being anti-EU is interlectual.

No, being able to spell "intellectual" is intellectual. :P

Seriously, The Eu and Islam form the single biggest threat to our freedom and sovereignty, and right of self determination, since Napoleon. And Angela Merkel, specifically, is more of a threat to us then Hitler was.