The rights of black and white women in Islam

[Flibbertigibbet]

Says the bloke with the most offensive and deliberately ignorant avatar I've ever seen.

I find "bloke" offensive too, by the way.

[Marilyn]

Says the bloke with the most offensive and deliberately ignorant avatar I've ever seen.

Flibbers is female.

The avatar is hard-hitting and accurate. The muslim scumbags who are grooming young white girls treat them like meat.

Deny it all you wish, the facts are now getting reported.

[Tallahassee12]

Flibbers is female.

The avatar is hard-hitting and accurate. The muslim scumbags who are grooming young white girls treat them like meat.

Deny it all you wish, the facts are now getting reported.

Do I really have to go through the painful process of explaining common sense to you?

THOSE SPECIFIC Muslim individuals did indeed treat those girls as you describe. But to have an avatar with pictures of naked white girls next to a stamp marked 'Certified Halal' is extremely offensive, incendiary and I would argue, hate inducing...towards Muslims as a whole. Obviously, because Halal relates to a Muslim method of preparing food. As in, all Muslims, as in, all of them. Do you see where I am going with this?

Can you not see how a picture like that could be seen as prejudicial to all Muslims, rather than the small minority connected with sex crimes as refered? Can you not see how utterly outrageous that picture may seem, and how it may offend the decent majority of Muslims in Britain?

For a moment I thought I was dealing with one of the more sensible ones on here, Marilyn.

[Flibbertigibbet]

Do I really have to go through the painful process of explaining common sense to you?

THOSE SPECIFIC Muslim individuals did indeed treat those girls as you describe. But to have an avatar with pictures of naked white girls next to a stamp marked 'Certified Halal' is extremely offensive, incendiary and I would argue, hate inducing...towards Muslims as a whole. Obviously, because Halal relates to a Muslim method of preparing food. As in, all Muslims, as in, all of them. Do you see where I am going with this?

Can you not see how a picture like that could be seen as prejudicial to all Muslims, rather than the small minority connected with sex crimes as refered? Can you not see how utterly outrageous that picture may seem, and how it may offend the decent majority of Muslims in Britain?

For a moment I thought I was dealing with one of the more sensible ones on here, Marilyn.

The Muslims treated those white girls like that because their culture and religion teaches them that kuffar women, white women, are fair game and deserve everything they get. It also encourages paedophilia because Muhammad married a 6-year-old girl. It forces sexual suppression on its members, and those urges erupt violently. Arranged marriages have also been cited as a cause, as have many other cultural traits.

[Marilyn]

I am actually unconcerned with muslim sensibilities, and rather more concerned with the large numbers of young white girls trashed by muslims over many years .. tacitly aided and abetted by those who are overly concerned with the so-called decent majority of them .. a statement which I doubt is true .. i.e. that the majority is "decent".

And I do not live in Britain .. hence I reject PC hand-wringing on this issue. I didn't get the memo.

Do I really have to go through the painful process of explaining common sense to you?

THOSE SPECIFIC Muslim individuals did indeed treat those girls as you describe. But to have an avatar with pictures of naked white girls next to a stamp marked 'Certified Halal' is extremely offensive, incendiary and I would argue, hate inducing...towards Muslims as a whole. Obviously, because Halal relates to a Muslim method of preparing food. As in, all Muslims, as in, all of them. Do you see where I am going with this?

Can you not see how a picture like that could be seen as prejudicial to all Muslims, rather than the small minority connected with sex crimes as refered? Can you not see how utterly outrageous that picture may seem, and how it may offend the decent majority of Muslims in Britain?

For a moment I thought I was dealing with one of the more sensible ones on here, Marilyn.

[SteveShark]

Flibbers is female.

The avatar is hard-hitting and accurate. The muslim scumbags who are grooming young white girls treat them like meat.

Deny it all you wish, the facts are now getting reported.

But what are the facts?

Yes, this grooming exists. Yes, there's probably more that has gone on and is still going on that hasn't come to light yet. Yes, it's truly evil and the offenders need punishing as harshly as the law permits - and I doubt few would shed a tear if the laws against this were much harsher.

But before some people see this phenomenon as some sort of widespread racial trait and start to view all Muslim males with suspicion, shouldn't we reserve judgment on a whole section of British society until we have some solid facts?

It's not as if these grooming gangs are the only threat to our children and other vulnerable groups.

The UK has its own paedophile population - an estimated 320 000 of them - and we have other 'imported' sexual predators such as people trafficking gangs from Eastern Europe. That's not to belittle the Muslim grooming cases - just that before we take one aspect of child sexual abuse and use it as a stick to use against a whole racial group, we should get the facts straight. There's also the danger that we focus on this aspect of deviant behaviour and ignore the bulk of the rest.

[Marilyn]

In a nutshell, it was ignored for many years because of the need to avoid racial-religious tension.
This is an outrage, and there should be a public enquiry as to why it was ignored by the various authorities.
So yes, I think this is different. Yes, I think it was covered up.

But what are the facts?

Yes, this grooming exists. Yes, there's probably more that has gone on and is still going on that hasn't come to light yet. Yes, it's truly evil and the offenders need punishing as harshly as the law permits - and I doubt few would shed a tear if the laws against this were much harsher.

But before some people see this phenomenon as some sort of widespread racial trait and start to view all Muslim males with suspicion, shouldn't we reserve judgment on a whole section of British society until we have some solid facts?

It's not as if these grooming gangs are the only threat to our children and other vulnerable groups.

The UK has its own paedophile population - an estimated 320 000 of them - and we have other 'imported' sexual predators such as people trafficking gangs from Eastern Europe. That's not to belittle the Muslim grooming cases - just that before we take one aspect of child sexual abuse and use it as a stick to use against a whole racial group, we should get the facts straight. There's also the danger that we focus on this aspect of deviant behaviour and ignore the bulk of the rest.

[SteveShark]

In a nutshell, it was ignored for many years because of the need to avoid racial-religious tension.
This is an outrage, and there should be a public enquiry as to why it was ignored by the various authorities.
So yes, I think this is different. Yes, I think it was covered up.

If it was covered up, it should definitely be the subject of a full judicial enquiry, but it should form part of a larger move towards a system that protects all children and vulnerable young adults from those who would exploit them for whatever reason.

[Marilyn]

If it was covered up, it should definitely be the subject of a full judicial enquiry, but it should form part of a larger move towards a system that protects all children and vulnerable young adults from those who would exploit them for whatever reason.

I believe it was, and was covered up by Labour's beardie wonders who are planted everywhere. Yes, the scale of this, how long it continued when it was first known to be happening, and who helped shelve it, should all be exposed.

Yes, east european traffickers, gypsies (oh yes they do!) and black knife gangs are all predators. With the muslim gang rapists though, they did so because of attitudes to non-muslim white girls and were protected by PC attitudes endemic in the UK systems.

[Tallahassee12]

If it was covered up, it should definitely be the subject of a full judicial enquiry, but it should form part of a larger move towards a system that protects all children and vulnerable young adults from those who would exploit them for whatever reason.

Eminently sensible suggestion.

There is no evidence that child grooming is an exclusively Muslim preserve, no evidence that Muslims follow some weird backwards barbaric version of their faith which means they see children as fair game, sexual or otherwise.

There is in my eyes an issue concerning geographical location of some newcomers, because people who are dirt poor villagers from backwards areas will, from whatever race, faith or creed, bring certain values and cultural attitudes which western minded europeans here in Britain would see unfavourably and not conducive.

It is way off mark, as some people on this site have argued, to see issues like child grooming as being a Muslim thing.

I am glad you are here Steve as an almost lone voice of reason. I was beginning to think I was alone in this pitiful mire of a site.