I like this one!
I like this one!
It doesn't always do what it says on the tin!
Interesting and true to a degree. The parties should unite but to do that a few egos need trimmed out.
The forthcoming Ukip English policy/ Federal Uk policy will be a mantle for the moderates to get behind.
We need a parliament and self determination, it would be a folly to ignore the gift of the 3rd/4th largest party in the UK.
Time to make a change, put England before the infighting and party allegiance.
I think th ecomment about Ego's is right people need to put thier own ego away and just do what is right for the country and parties need to work together so that they do not tred on each others toes.
If one party has a strong and well liked candidate in an area leave them to stand and support them with local people.
The infighting and back stabbing is seen across the whole spectrum of the internet not just in parties or blogs but in groups on and off of the net and each group has its own leader and followers and none of them are intrested in helping anyone else as long as they are seen and heard.
There are a number of online newspapers and the people who write them never co-operate with any of the others becuase they never ask and i dont think that they would.
Without co-operation England is stuffed and we will never go forward.
I do whatever i could to help anyone as long as they would be willing to help others in the same way.
Saying that there are some superb people out there working hard for the cause of the causes , but they need help from all areas.
No ego's in the English People's party. We are always willing to talk to other English nationalists.
It is interesting Ben. A few factors as I see it.
- The normal everyday person does not rush out into the street and become an activist. This is especially so when you are part of a very small party, it can become a lonely and demanding role to whip up enthusiasm in your area.
- We also have to consider just why a person picks up the baton and runs with it. It could be that that person is so frustrated that they feel they have to do something! (My case). There are others, those I call ‘Little Big Men’ who suddenly find a way to be some one and are driven by this.
- Quite often, the real enthusiasts are by their nature a little odd. After all, look at most of our great heroes – Churchill fell out with just about everybody; Disraeli was a bit strange, Queen Elizabeth I a bit strange and so on. Normal folk don’t usually want to take on the extreme effort involved in the chosen role. I include Boris Johnson in this category.
- Then we have the straightforward grand-standers who love the sound of their own voice and actually believe the world is listening!!!
- Trying to get a number of disparate parties to work together involves pulling many of these types together. It us usually a disaster, because so few of them are truly driven by the cause and personality issues get in the way.
The converse is what we see in power today. Three parties with colourless leaders, characterless political clinicians who have little experience of real life, producing solutions that totally lack creativity.
If we could pull the English Lobby together then great things could happen, but will it happen? I really do doubt it.
I am with Jamie entirely. UKIP is pushing for freedom from the EU and an English Parliament – and now has 13% of the vote. If it is going to happen, it will be UKIP that brings it about.
The Normal person does not rus out into the street and become an activist - Id tend to agree with this as it is alot of work , but then if you are working for your country and trying to move it forward or into a better position i would say it is worth that time and the enthusiasm should be there , I never had a problem with going out and putting leaflets through doors and thinking about why I was doing it, in the early days with the EDP i done anything and everything to put them forward and the cause , including spending money to be at places.
2)I was frustrated and felt a desire to do something my desire has not gone away , it is proberly more abundent than ever but sometimes you have to look and see what is occuring and think will what is occuring around you help you and the goals that you are looking for.
3) There are many grandstanders who like the sound of thier own voice we all know that but some of them are useful.
4) I have seen and heard of times when parties and groups have been got together or people have tried and some have not shown up or something has happened to make it not work , I am aware Robin Tilbrook tried this twice i believe and Steve Uncles as well.
Maybe UKIP is the answer but i know what ever i think not everybody will agree and they have isolated alot of people with their membership embargo and i realise you do not have to be a member to vote for them but if you support a cause like the EDL and they are going to refuse to allow you to join regardless of weather it is right or wrong , some have said they will not vote for them becuase of this , but it is of course the right of any group or party to decided who can or can not join them.
You seem to assume that the EDP supporters in West Shoebury are all obedient sheep and would, en mass, vote for the UKIP candidate if told to do so by the EDP leadership in Southend. I am sorry to say that most people do actually think before they vote rather that do-as-they-are-told. Who knows, 24 of them may have decided to vote tory and she would still have won.
On the other side of the coin if the EDP candidate for Belfairs, Lisa Simmonds, is one of the former BNP members then maybe UKIP members may not have voted for her any way.
Local politics is not the Labour party conference, you can't just move 'block-votes' around.
Even if that were the case between UKIP & EDP I still don't think the EDP would have gained a seat anywhere!