The Shadow Tory Government

[BCG Jason]

Yes, I'll concede a point there, in the general population, not specific to mining and industrialised areas. Things were different in the '80s. I joined the labour market as a 16 year old in 1981. I moved in and out of jobs throughout the '80s until mid '88.

I always found, that if you had a bit of common sense about you, would turn up on time and be reliable, you could always find work (that paid a decent wage) even during the recessions. I keep an eye on the job market these days, mush like I do with house prices, even though I'm not looking for a job or to move. There is very little advertised (I'm including agencies) these days, unless you're in the public sector (especially NHS & social workers) or you want to work as a carer. What is advertised is actually equal to or less well paid than I got as a temp over 20 years ago.

Road Hog you make great points, perhaps because I started work in the 80's too I appreciate them. Sorry to hear about your uncle. i remember talking to my grandfathers generation, most died early but some I got to speak to and several said they fought in WWII because there were no jobs it was that or 'starve'. i agree on your points about health and getting work. CB100 talks about Thatcher, I can't say he is wrong but remember it during the Blair years with loads having back problems etc.

[Baron von Lotsov]

BVL

You are in good company Brian Gerrish and Norman Baker have said much the same thing

It seems Paul Goodman didn't appreciate my comments on Karen Bradley advertising curry on her MP's homepage. All I asked was why did she consider the promotion of curry as the most important thing in her mind regarding the state of the nation currently. Well it is at the top of the page after all and she was a winner in the election of the 1922 committee.

Vote For Your Favourite Moorlands Curry

Karen Bradley MP is urging her constituents to contact her with their nominations for Staffordshire Moorlands restaurants to compete in this year's Tiffin Cup, the prestigious national award for the best South Asian restaurant. In 2010 Qarma of Leek were finalists in the competition, finishing in the top five in the UK.

http://www.karenbradley.co.uk/

I reckon Paul Goodman is one of those commies in the party and Bradley is another. They call them modernisers, and they all support each other and delete any negative or probing questions regarding their fellow comrades. The other members of the Tory Party are too full of pride to notice what is bubbling beneath the surface. I do my best to inform them, but with Soviets like Goodman, it is a tricky operation.

[Baron von Lotsov]

The numbers of people under 65 on some form of disability benefit has increased massively over the last 30 years. Is it really that credible that the population of under 65s has become less healthy over that period? Or is it more likely that it has been convenient in massaging the unemployment figures, for a number of reasonable healthy people to be reclassified as sick?

People receiving disability allowance receive a higher level of benefit than people who are unemployed. The rationale is that unemployment benefit needs to be set at a level that means people aren't too comfortable and will thus take a job if offered.

Disabled people on the other hand can't work so they are given a higher level of benefit. However IF some people are receiving disability benefit when in reality they are fit to work, it undermines the principle of encouraging people to seek employment. It also costs the taxpayer more.

Yes I can understand that, but the big difference is in being able to work and being allowed to work. These days business has become corporate, where the corporations 'own' people, and if they don't fit the spec then they are not allowed to work, even if they would be very good at it. The system is too ridged and so as it becomes more so there are more that don't fit the spec.

I have said many times that what the solution is, is to not worry about this unemployment in the sense that it is good to attack those people, because they will just get angry and you will end up with an even bigger 'us and them' divide. The thing to do is to ease up on all the regulations and make the conditions such that people on the dole or other forms of unemployment, including dumbed down college courses, are encouraged to set up their own businesses and to start making things.

We are a nation of capitalists, but capitalism is dying out because all the work is passed around these huge corporations. A lot of this is government work. About 50% of the economy is government work and even the hedge cutting of your local councils is done by multi-billion pound corporations. Some argue that it is because they are more efficient, but that is a lie. They work to monopolise the markets and actually cost much more than say if some guy set up his own local hedge cutting business, or someone set up a computer business and got work from government departments.

The more you tighten up on the rues the bigger the unemployment problem becomes. So ease up on the rules and make it fairer and competitive and you will find that just as that figure of the unemployed has risen so far, it will magically start to fall if there is a way out for these people. They are not all dropouts. The images in the press of those with 14 children on state benefits is ruthless propaganda. There are many with degrees on the dole. Indeed there are people with PhDs on the dole because the industry that would have employed them at the time they did their studies has moved abroad. Some people don't want to go and work in places like Hong Kong etc.

The trouble is the government aren't the right people to figure out the solutions. Government industry is all about making work and inventing ways to make more work at the cost of efficiency. Capitalism is the opposite. Capitalism is about how to build the best products with the minimum of work and at the cheapest price. You think about this. Those courses those unemployed are put on are charged at £400/week per student, so a class of 30 would net £12K/week for one teacher in a classroom. It’s staggering. Are these the right people to teach?

[CB100]

How would this work, if we continue to ignore the indigenous unemployed population and keep importing more unskilled labour who are willing to work for the lowest possible wage (because it is more than they'd get in their home market)?

Employers say: British workers don't want to work.

Employers mean: British workers don't want to work for minimum wage and tax credits.

If British employers (in the manufacturing sector) really wanted to employ British people, then why not offer proper apprenticeships. I know if I was an unemployed youngster, if someone offer me a job and training/experience and a chance to improve myself, I'd rip their arm off.

But we all know, that it's all about reducing costs, and employees are a huge cost centre. The rot set in, when the personnel dept. was changed in name to human resources. People became like capital machinery.

Very simple. We need to exit the EU, remove as many unskilled immigrants as possible, reduce business taxes to encourage business expansion, implement a REAL and comprehensive training programme for unemployed people and get our own people into the jobs.

[Road_Hog]

Ah, you are finally admitting that this isn't a real Tory government and it's heading for a good kicking at the next election.

I'm totally convinced now.

Some times I think that are new breed of Tory MP are more socialist/Lefty than NuLabour.

Watch this clip, I don't want to dwell on the subject matter too much, more on the multiculti love in from Mensch and her reaction to the other guests views.

The two other people that speak in this clip (apart from Andrew Neil) are, Will Self, a self confessed die hard Lefty and Alan Johnson Labour MP, who was a branch official of a trade union (full time) and then became General Secretary of the Communication Workers Union and considered himself a Marxist ideologically.

Will Self is first to speak, with the first shock, he agrees that there is a problem.

Mensch is second to speak and sounds like a NuLabour apparatchik spouting the multiculti party line

Alan Johnson then speaks and agrees with Will Self.

At this point (when AJ starts to speak), watch Mensch's face. She has a face like a smacked @rse or she's just swallowed a lemon. Next she rolls her eyes to heaven, relaxes a little bit and nods when AJ says we don't want to allow this to be used by the far right and watch the reaction when he mentions the word Pakistani. You'd think AJ had just dropped the smelliest sweaty fart going, it is truly priceless.

As I said, I don't want to get to hung up on the subject matter, more where our new Tory MPs are on the political spectrum, especially compared to the two Left wingers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18034459

[Baron von Lotsov]

Some times I think that are new breed of Tory MP are more socialist/Lefty than NuLabour.

Watch this clip, I don't want to dwell on the subject matter too much, more on the multiculti love in from Mensch and her reaction to the other guests views.

The two other people that speak in this clip (apart from Andrew Neil) are, Will Self, a self confessed die hard Lefty and Alan Johnson Labour MP, who was a branch official of a trade union (full time) and then became General Secretary of the Communication Workers Union and considered himself a Marxist ideologically.

Will Self is first to speak, with the first shock, he agrees that there is a problem.

Mensch is second to speak and sounds like a NuLabour apparatchik spouting the multiculti party line

Alan Johnson then speaks and agrees with Will Self.

At this point (when AJ starts to speak), watch Mensch's face. She has a face like a smacked @rse or she's just swallowed a lemon. Next she rolls her eyes to heaven, relaxes a little bit and nods when AJ says we don't want to allow this to be used by the far right and watch the reaction when he mentions the word Pakistani. You'd think AJ had just dropped the smelliest sweaty fart going, it is truly priceless.

As I said, I don't want to get to hung up on the subject matter, more where our new Tory MPs are on the political spectrum, especially compared to the two Left wingers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18034459

Sorry, I had to switch off as soon as that witch opened her mouth. It's that tone of voice that does it for me. It reminds me of the university I went to. Yes indeed, the champagne socialists are still in power. Check this as another example.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...baby-talk.html

Now they have taken over the 1922 committee as well. The current identifier seems to be a group called the 301 Group. Check out Karen Bradley.

[Road_Hog]

Sorry, I had to switch off as soon as that witch opened her mouth.

Not acceptable, go back and watch it.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Not acceptable, go back and watch it.

It's torture!

[Road_Hog]

It's torture!

Yep, but that's our current intake of Tory MPs. She's further Left, than a Lefty writer and NuLabour Marxist ex-minister.

She is typical of someone with an Oxbridge education and has previously spent time in the Labour party.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Yep, but that's our current intake of Tory MPs. She's further Left, than a Lefty writer and NuLabour Marxist ex-minister.

She is typical of someone with an Oxbridge education and has previously spent time in the Labour party.

That's funny you should mention an Oxbridge education because one of my first girlfriends was rather left leaning. "What paper does your family read?” she probed one day. I told her the Telegraph and thought nothing of it. I mean we always had that paper, but she insisted it was the Torygraph and that I should atleast try and be purple if I was not going to be red.

While I got five straight rejections from my application to university she got a conditional offer of 2 A level passes to Balliol College. She walked straight into it, and her brother was previously at Kings College Cambridge. Now she took philosophy and psychology because they are nearly always double degrees in Oxford. It is always something and philosophy. Anyhow she received this huge reading list before she even got there, just in case she was thinking of enjoying her summer holidays. Then after the three years she did a PhD in psychology and specialised in artificial intelligence.

After that she found she couldn't get a job anywhere in Britain. So she ended up in Greoble and worked for a company that she found out had military connections. Now I don't know a lot more than that because it was all classified stuff, but one thing I remember about her as a typical leftie was she was always very nice and found the concept of war totally repulsive. Then all of a sudden she quit the whole thing and was freaked out something rotten. I have no idea what she saw in her defence job, but it was something that frightened the living daylights out of her and she quit for good. Eventually she found a job working as a carer in an old people's home in Bristol. So there you go. That’s student leftie Oxford ambitions for you. Maybe she reads the Telegraph now!