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    Default The Shadow Tory Government

    What do you suppose life would be like at Number 10 if we had a Tory living there, like John Redwood? How would it be different to the current Lib Dem parties running the country? Well now you can find out.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ns-Speech.html

    Personally I can’t fault a single one of their policies. It’s not just the usual suspects; rather this is smart and resourceful thinking on many different topics. This is true right wing deep blue philosophy, where competition rules, not rules stifling competition, as we have at the moment.
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    Certain some really good policys here, could such a queens speech gain a majoiryt in the HOC as it is presently formed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjt View Post
    Certain some really good policys here, could such a queens speech gain a majoiryt in the HOC as it is presently formed.

    Too many people are brainwashed and think the solution is to make the problem worse. What we need is a revolution in this country, and in order to achieve that we must first of all understand how the system works. That understanding is beyond 99.99% of the population. That means ironically that we can't restore democracy via democratic means.

    There will always be some politician that will win because they know all the buttons to push. These buttons are programmed into people by our enemy who controls the education and mass media system. For example, one button is the racist button. People are psychologically programmed to carry out a routine each time someone mentions this word. This is Pavlovian conditioning. As with Pavlov’s dog, each time the dog hears the sound of a bell it thinks it is dinnertime. The bell is now a word. Another one is the term homophobic. How a 'modern' politician works is that he learns these commands and can control the population by using them in a certain sequence called a program.

    Nigel Farage is very good at this sort of thing. He makes a good bit of money out of it as well. He will never tell you how he does it or else he might lose his job. John Redwood though is someone a bit different. As far as I can see, I don't think he agrees with the current system and wants to restore it back to a capitalist system. You can pretty much tell he is not on the side of the current system because he hasn’t had a ministerial job for ten years. I think he is one of the best chances we have, but he needs some support. I see some Tory MPs who are smart enough to know enough to see the current system eventually going to end up worse than the Soviet Union. They just need to be aware of false prophets.

    The question is, how can we hack these psychological programs in order to make them malfunction? I think there are ways of doing it, but more work needs to be done in this area. It is possible to cross the wires so one system command fights another one to the extent that they cause the person to crack up and be neutralised. The best examples of this I have seen have been from the BNP, where a few have studied the problem. You see their name is another button, by design of course.
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    Therein lies the problem. David Cameron is trying to carry out economic reform but he is hampered by the Lib Dems and by a large section of society that has become hooked on high public spending which is dragging the economy down. The electorate wants contradictory things:

    1) the national debt to be paid off but noone to lose out financially
    2) the banks to lend more but to reduce risk taking
    3) the economy to expand but to increase taxes on wealth creation

    The way out requires radical action but obtaining a democratic mandate for doing it is impossible.

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    Too many people are brainwashed and think the solution is to make the problem worse. What we need is a revolution in this country, and in order to achieve that we must first of all understand how the system works. That understanding is beyond 99.99% of the population. That means ironically that we can't restore democracy via democratic means.

    There will always be some politician that will win because they know all the buttons to push. These buttons are programmed into people by our enemy who controls the education and mass media system. For example, one button is the racist button. People are psychologically programmed to carry out a routine each time someone mentions this word. This is Pavlovian conditioning. As with Pavlov’s dog, each time the dog hears the sound of a bell it thinks it is dinnertime. The bell is now a word. Another one is the term homophobic. How a 'modern' politician works is that he learns these commands and can control the population by using them in a certain sequence called a program.

    Nigel Farage is very good at this sort of thing. He makes a good bit of money out of it as well. He will never tell you how he does it or else he might lose his job. John Redwood though is someone a bit different. As far as I can see, I don't think he agrees with the current system and wants to restore it back to a capitalist system. You can pretty much tell he is not on the side of the current system because he hasn’t had a ministerial job for ten years. I think he is one of the best chances we have, but he needs some support. I see some Tory MPs who are smart enough to know enough to see the current system eventually going to end up worse than the Soviet Union. They just need to be aware of false prophets.

    The question is, how can we hack these psychological programs in order to make them malfunction? I think there are ways of doing it, but more work needs to be done in this area. It is possible to cross the wires so one system command fights another one to the extent that they cause the person to crack up and be neutralised. The best examples of this I have seen have been from the BNP, where a few have studied the problem. You see their name is another button, by design of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB100 View Post
    Therein lies the problem. David Cameron is trying to carry out economic reform but he is hampered by the Lib Dems
    No he isn't, he must have wanted a coalition. It should have been nigh on impossible to get a majority Tory government after 3 terms and 13 of NuLabour and one of the most despised Prime Ministers of our time that almost bankrupted our country.

    But call me Dave managed, one of the first things he did when he won the leadership contest, was to strip out of the manifesto the reclamation of our fishing areas. Shortly followed by his cast iron guarantee, abolishing the Human Rights Act, increase prison places by building new prisons, increase the size of the army (which means no cuts), tax breaks for married couples. I could go on, there are a few major ones I've currently forgotten that happened not long after his cast iron guarantee melted away.

    What he has done in these hard financial times is, increase the amount of overseas aid by a substantial amount with a promise to continue to increase it, and giving it to countries that don't even want or need it. Handing over £40 bn to support a currency that we're not even in. He's carrying on with these stupid green taxes which are just about to push the average family dual fuel bill up by another £120 a year. The duty escalator is to continue unabated, does he not realise how expensive fuel already is, obviously not, because he doesn't have to pay for his.

    Cameron is a lying smug tw@t who is completely out of touch with reality. If the Tories don't get rid of him, he's going to have even less MPs come 2015.

    PS He is raising taxes (VAT) and not cutting spending, he's taken on another 4,500 civil servants since the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Hog View Post
    No he isn't, he must have wanted a coalition. It should have been nigh on impossible to get a majority Tory government after 3 terms and 13 of NuLabour and one of the most despised Prime Ministers of our time that almost bankrupted our country.
    Clearly the electorate disagreed. Many distrust the tories and the lib dems were attracting major support following Nick Clegg's pre election TV performances. The tories can't win on their own whilst the lib dems are strong because they take the anti labour vote.

    But call me Dave managed, one of the first things he did when he won the leadership contest, was to strip out of the manifesto the reclamation of our fishing areas. Shortly followed by his cast iron guarantee, abolishing the Human Rights Act, increase prison places by building new prisons, increase the size of the army (which means no cuts), tax breaks for married couples. I could go on, there are a few major ones I've currently forgotten that happened not long after his cast iron guarantee melted away.
    He's slippery, I'll give you that.

    What he has done in these hard financial times is, increase the amount of overseas aid by a substantial amount with a promise to continue to increase it, and giving it to countries that don't even want or need it. Handing over £40 bn to support a currency that we're not even in. He's carrying on with these stupid green taxes which are just about to push the average family dual fuel bill up by another £120 a year. The duty escalator is to continue unabated, does he not realise how expensive fuel already is, obviously not, because he doesn't have to pay for his.
    The widespread financial judgement is that if the EU implodes in a disorderly way, the melt down will leave us in a 1930's style depression. We are not immune. Even China has been pumping money in to support the euro.


    He is raising taxes (VAT) and not cutting spending, he's taken on another 4,500 civil servants since the election.
    Overall he is cutting spending and raising taxes. Frankly there is no choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Hog View Post
    No he isn't, he must have wanted a coalition. It should have been nigh on impossible to get a majority Tory government after 3 terms and 13 of NuLabour and one of the most despised Prime Ministers of our time that almost bankrupted our country.

    But call me Dave managed, one of the first things he did when he won the leadership contest, was to strip out of the manifesto the reclamation of our fishing areas. Shortly followed by his cast iron guarantee, abolishing the Human Rights Act, increase prison places by building new prisons, increase the size of the army (which means no cuts), tax breaks for married couples. I could go on, there are a few major ones I've currently forgotten that happened not long after his cast iron guarantee melted away.

    What he has done in these hard financial times is, increase the amount of overseas aid by a substantial amount with a promise to continue to increase it, and giving it to countries that don't even want or need it. Handing over £40 bn to support a currency that we're not even in. He's carrying on with these stupid green taxes which are just about to push the average family dual fuel bill up by another £120 a year. The duty escalator is to continue unabated, does he not realise how expensive fuel already is, obviously not, because he doesn't have to pay for his.

    Cameron is a lying smug tw@t who is completely out of touch with reality. If the Tories don't get rid of him, he's going to have even less MPs come 2015.

    PS He is raising taxes (VAT) and not cutting spending, he's taken on another 4,500 civil servants since the election.


    There is something odd in the theory though about Cameron and real Tories. During that time of Nu Labour, on the surface of it, you would have thought that a monkey would have won against them, but the polls were telling a different story. There were a quick succession of different changes in leader. We had Howard, IDS and we had Hague. IDS is a popular politician with his party and known to be a solid right-winger and anti-EU. Hague made a big thing about the EU, being a British party and keeping the pound. I think of Hague as a sort of caricature of a man wearing a union jack shirt at this time. We were never sure whether he really meant it, but he certainly did say it. Out of those three I remember the Tory manifesto at the time of Howard as being the most conservative and intelligent right wing kind of thing. Howard though had a dark past when he was Home Secretary as he was Mr clamper-downer, as in he was always clamping down on something or other. People felt their freedoms were ebbing away and that this clamping down seemed to look like personal prejudices rather than anything reasonable. Anyhow it seemed he had since mellowed out quite a bit and put a good case forwards, but it is telling that out of that lot the only person to actually get Labour our was a Tony Blair MkII.

    My theory is the public have been conditioned to make the wrong choices and politicians are simply serving this conditioning. Have you noticed on Radio Four plays where they have a character with an upper-class accent and they always act in a spiteful and conceited way? Years and years of this sort of conditioning brings us to where we are at the moment. Eventually I suspect they will end up with the Beckhams running the country. I mean the job will be no more than being a figurehead as Brussels does the rest. British euros will have the Bechham tattoo on them as a sign of sovereignty. (Seriously, it is the third most searched on word in conjunction with ‘Beckhams’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Hog View Post
    Cameron is a lying smug tw@t who is completely out of touch with reality. If the Tories don't get rid of him, he's going to have even less MPs come 2015.
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    The key word to achieving it is efficiency. That's what it all comes down to and it is a law of nature. In order to achieve efficiency we must have a system that optimises it, and we have had that in the past and it worked so well we became the richest country in the world.

    What you do is you put the buying power back into the hands of those that earned the money, and you police the system such that anyone who lies in the course of doing trade gets punished at a level that makes lying unprofitable. If the person who earns the money spends it in a way where they are not deceived then they will always endeavour to maximise efficiency. They won't buy more than they need and they won't buy things they don't need. If you buy something you don't need you are a part of that inefficiency because you cannot make use of that resource and so it is wasted.

    This is a decentralised and optimal system. There is only one optimum and all other systems are sub-optimal. It works as a kind of feedback where the person tries out many different things until they find the way they gets them what they want with the minimal amount of effort. The rest of the time they can go and enjoy life. They become part of the government. They make the decisions for themselves and the aggregate of this is the governance of the country. If they want to learn Latin, they don't need to lobby the education minister, they just go and pay someone who can teach it to them.
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    Sounds good. All we need do now is unpick 40 years of Labour's dependency culture that has enfeebled our society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    The key word to achieving it is efficiency. That's what it all comes down to and it is a law of nature. In order to achieve efficiency we must have a system that optimises it, and we have had that in the past and it worked so well we became the richest country in the world.

    What you do is you put the buying power back into the hands of those that earned the money, and you police the system such that anyone who lies in the course of doing trade gets punished at a level that makes lying unprofitable. If the person who earns the money spends it in a way where they are not deceived then they will always endeavour to maximise efficiency. They won't buy more than they need and they won't buy things they don't need. If you buy something you don't need you are a part of that inefficiency because you cannot make use of that resource and so it is wasted.

    This is a decentralised and optimal system. There is only one optimum and all other systems are sub-optimal. It works as a kind of feedback where the person tries out many different things until they find the way they gets them what they want with the minimal amount of effort. The rest of the time they can go and enjoy life. They become part of the government. They make the decisions for themselves and the aggregate of this is the governance of the country. If they want to learn Latin, they don't need to lobby the education minister, they just go and pay someone who can teach it to them.

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