New Sea Ice Records Broken

[manbearpig]

Which solar cycle correlates with recent warming?

You could look at this report from NASA : http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Study+...ticle15310.htm



While we're on the subject, how does CO₂ correlate with global temperature ?





Perhaps Ron could explain why there is divergence between temperature and CO₂

[ron]

Nicely selected data.

For CO2 - Can you post longer timescales? And overlay El Nino/La Nina effects?

For solar cycles the opposite.

Or don't, up to you.

[manbearpig]

The real world data not good enough, so you want me to cherry pick your data?

[manbearpig]

Here's another to get your teeth into ..

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../343709a0.html

In the last 30 years, CO₂ lags temperature by 5 months.

[ron]

The real world data not good enough, so you want me to cherry pick your data?

You are already cherry picking. I want data that fits the recent warming period that's all. Not much to ask is it?

Here's another to get your teeth into ..

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../343709a0.html

In the last 30 years, CO₂ lags temperature by 5 months.

Good paper for discussion even it's a bit old, which is relevant:

"temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide are significantly correlated over the past thirty years" - for starters they agree with me, so show us both the better correlation that you have found with solar activity in the period we are interested in.

A couple of other bits from the paper:

"From atmospheric chemistry, global temperature depends nonlinearly on CO2 concentration"

And towards the end:

"A more complete analysis would include estimates of the coherences between the various global average temperature time series, records of atmospheric CO2 concentration, human CO2 production, sunspots, volcanic activity and the Southern Oscillation Index" - did the authors ever follow this up?

[internetcynic]

I surprised they broke sea ice records. Racing sea ice as a sport isn't very popular.

[manbearpig]

"temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide are significantly correlated over the past thirty years" - for starters they agree with me, so show us both the better correlation that you have found with solar activity in the period we are interested in.

ahhh so Cherry picking is fine when it suits YOU and YOUR argument

[chimera]

#11 has rapid sunspot rise in first 1/2 half of last century compared with flatter second 1/2.
Does mbp say ice melt is doing the same? Is sea ice volume trending flat, and if not why not with level temps?

[manbearpig]

Perhaps the Arctic sea ice melt was not to do with temp.

[chimera]

Then are we deleting sunspots?
So it's stronger sea currents then. And the Labrador current would then be stronger with increased Gulf Stream inflow. But it appears that the flow is weakening. A strong flow of cold current would bring colder conditions to Britain. It's a bit warm there now.