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    Quote Originally Posted by youngian View Post
    I used to constantly read that it was unelected 'Brussels bureaucrats' holding all the power and were also behind the single currency . It is now common knowledge that EU technocrats and the original ECB governer warned about the consequences of rushing so many national economies into the single currency too quickly but were over ridden by the democratically elected heads of governments (where the power has always resided anyway).

    Therefore there is a drastic need to change the Eurosceptic narrative and the EU is now a German plot to take away our ancient liberties.

    Are Herr Flick and the captured U-Boat Captain from Dad's Army involved in the Fatherland's sinister plans for Europe wide domination?
    The plan for the United States of Greater Germany has been openly admitted by heads of EU states for at least 10 years. The interesting bit is that places on the internet where I could have extracted quotes where they said such things have mysteriously vanished recently. Its the same plan as formulated by Helmulth Moltke in 1870. Germany has tried three times to execute the plan, in the Franco Prussian War of 1870, WW1 and then WW2. They only switched to economic warfare in the late 1960's when the next generation of german megalomaniacs realised war wasnt going to cut it anymore. Hence the EEC was formed and Britain invited, knowing three times we stopped them, they know we are the toughest nut to crack, hence we have been subjected to a special, deliberate, and unremitting attacking on everything English, including the divide and conquer plan of Scottish and Welsh independence since 1972.

    The current stage in this plan is the ESM.

    The ESM is a permanent rescue facility slated to replace the temporary European Financial Stability Facility and European Financial Stabilization Mechanism as soon as Member States representing 90% of the capital commitments have ratified it, something that is expected to happen in July 2012. A December 2011 youtube video titled “The shocking truth of the pending EU collapse!”, originally posted in German, gives such a revealing look at the ESM that it is worth quoting here at length. It states:

    The EU is planning a new treaty called the European Stability Mechanism, or ESM: a treaty of debt. . . . The authorized capital stock shall be 700 billion euros. Question: why 700 billion? [Probable answer: it simply mimicked the $700 billion the U.S. Congress bought into in 2008.] . . . .

    [Article 9]: “. . . ESM Members hereby irrevocably and unconditionally undertake to pay on demand any capital call made on them . . . within seven days of receipt of such demand.” . . . If the ESM needs money, we have seven days to pay. . . . But what does “irrevocably and unconditionally” mean? What if we have a new parliament, one that does not want to transfer money to the ESM? . . . .

    [Article 10]: “The Board of Governors may decide to change the authorized capital and amend Article 8 ... accordingly.” Question: . . . 700 billion is just the beginning? The ESM can stock up the fund as much as it wants to, any time it wants to? And we would then be required under Article 9 to irrevocably and unconditionally pay up?

    [Article 27, lines 2-3]: “The ESM, its property, funding, and assets . . . shall enjoy immunity from every form of judicial process . . . .” Question: So the ESM program can sue us, but we can’t challenge it in court?

    [Article 27, line 4]: “The property, funding and assets of the ESM shall . . . be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation, or any other form of seizure, taking or foreclosure by executive, judicial, administrative or legislative action.” Question: . . . [T]his means that neither our governments, nor our legislatures, nor any of our democratic laws have any effect on the ESM organization? That’s a pretty powerful treaty!

    [Article 30]: “Governors, alternate Governors, Directors, alternate Directors, the Managing Director and staff members shall be immune from legal process with respect to acts performed by them . . . and shall enjoy inviolability in respect of their official papers and documents.” Question: So anyone involved in the ESM is off the hook? They can’t be held accountable for anything? . . . The treaty establishes a new intergovernmental organization to which we are required to transfer unlimited assets within seven days if it so requests, an organization that can sue us but is immune from all forms of prosecution and whose managers enjoy the same immunity. There are no independent reviewers and no existing laws apply? Governments cannot take action against it? Europe’s national budgets in the hands of one single unelected intergovernmental organization? Is that the future of Europe? Is that the new EU – a Europe devoid of sovereign democracies?

    Almost certainly thats the future, and its all part of the plan for the totalitarian United States of Greater Germany. The fiscal and economic policies of member states will henceforth be dictated by the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. That is, national sovereignty supposedly serving the people, according to their votes, is to be replaced by the rule of unelected bankers and technocrats. In a very real way, the debt crisis of Europe is serving to usher in a dictatorship of finance capitalism. As Paul Craig Roberts noted recently on Global Research with regard to the EU – “the banks have taken over”
    Last edited by internetcynic; 03-05-2012 at 08:53 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by internetcynic View Post
    I love that phrase "I want the Eu to work". The people that utter it generally dont realise that the function of the EU, the 'it working' bit, means the complete destruction of the nation states of the EU, and there annexation into the United States of Greater Germany, and the end of democracy, free speech and justice.

    Did you know the Lisbon Treaty was based, in some places almost word for word, on the German Enabling Act of 1933, which allowed Hitler to 'lawfully' seize power and establish a totalitarian state?
    I want it to work as a Trading Station, yes we can work together, without losing our identity, I would rather the countries were in a union that worked for them, than a union that put itself forward as the main super state, which is totally different. As I said, each country is more important than the EU, the eurozone should be dismantled.

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