James Lovelock Turns Skeptic

**manbearpig** · 24-04-2012, 06:51 AM

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/2...climate-alarm/

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

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“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that.”

**Besoeker** · 24-04-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by manbearpig

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/2...climate-alarm/

How much credence should you give to someone who makes statements like this:
“billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable” by the end of the 21st century.

It really isn't the kind of thing you would expect a serious scientist in the field of climatology come up with
But then he isn't.

**Baron von Lotsov** · 24-04-2012, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Besoeker

How much credence should you give to someone who makes statements like this:
“billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable” by the end of the 21st century.

It really isn't the kind of thing you would expect a serious scientist in the field of climatology come up with
But then he isn't.

But then how many 'serious scientist(s) in the field of climatology' have the influence that had been apportioned to him though? You get people like him in every trick that is being played out. For example, the system is currently trying to destroy the church and their man for that job is Richard Dawkins. The system is trying to make people into homosexuals and their man for that job is Peter Tatchell. I'm using these examples just to illustrate the principle because I know you hold views about climate science, but the same modus operandi is repeated time after time again. They always use one central figure. OK - try Al Gore for the political aspects of it. Lovelock was given the job in the pseudo science department, but they needed Al Gore to push the carbon trading scheme etc.

I don't blame the serious scientists at the coalface collecting data from satellites and the like. I'm sure they do an honest job, but then you will never get them in high profile PR positions. They are just small cogs in a big machine. They don’t even get to see the big picture because they are specialised to the extreme, as are most of academia. When I was at university I got to meet people who did things like mathematics who were working on problems that only half a dozen people in the entire world were capable of understanding. It’s rather mind boggling how sliced up it is. Indeed I think this compartmentalisation, as it is called, is the model used by the intelligence agencies. No one has all the pieces to the puzzle, or at least the workers don’t. I’m sure there are those that do though at the top of the pecking order.

**Besoeker** · 24-04-2012, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

But then how many 'serious scientist(s) in the field of climatology' have the influence that had been apportioned to him though?

Apprtioned by whom?
The public? The media? Wattsy?

**manbearpig** · 24-04-2012, 08:51 PM

I think you seem to miss the point. the fact is he was one of the biggest alarmists going yet he has now changed his stance by about 180 degrees. Consider it the same as Hansen changing sides then you may understand the enormity of this.

**ron** · 24-04-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by manbearpig

I think you seem to miss the point. the fact is he was one of the biggest alarmists going yet he has now changed his stance by about 180 degrees. Consider it the same as Hansen changing sides then you may understand the enormity of this.

These people aren't worth listening to. He wasn't before and isn't now. I didn't read the article, does he have a new book coming out soon?

**Besoeker** · 24-04-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by manbearpig

I think you seem to miss the point. the fact is he was one of the biggest alarmists going yet he has now changed his stance by about 180 degrees. Consider it the same as Hansen changing sides then you may understand the enormity of this.

I consider it in the same light as Gore changing his stance.

**manbearpig** · 25-04-2012, 05:23 AM

These people aren't worth listening to. He wasn't before and isn't now. I didn't read the article, does he have a new book coming out soon?

Blimey, didn't take long to start wiping the floor with him did it?

Well, that was predicted by WUWT in the link above ..

This won’t sit well with many. McKibben has a whole movement based on alarm for example. Watch the true believers now trash him in the “doddering old man” style we’ve seen before.