Skintland

[shagpile]

Good to see Hearts FC (Unionists/loyalists) beat the fenian Hibs yesterday.

Bigot........

[shagpile]

The reality is that the figures do not fall in with your perception of Scotland as a subsidy junkie. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance? Do you have any concrete evidence to back up the outlandish comments you are making? Stories about your brother don't count, they are mere hearsay. Btw if he finds it so bad in Scotland why does he stay?

Waynetta 4paws just noes it ko!

Brother 4paws is on the brew and dreaming of winning the lottery one day.

[teddy4paws]

Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?

I read several newspapers every day, including The Daily Mail.

Do you have any concrete evidence to back up the outlandish comments you are making?

I do indeed. It's called 'personal experience' of many years standing. And if you had the same kind of experience you would not describe my comments as 'outlandish'. They are seriously realistic.

Stories about your brother don't count, they are mere hearsay.

Well, not really. I hear lots of similar stories which, added to my time-honoured personal experience of the same sorts of things, paint a poor picture of Scotland as an independent nation. It all boils down to money, enough of which in Scotland there is not, and never will be, for the reasons I have already given.

Btw if he finds it so bad in Scotland why does he stay?

I didn't say that my brother finds it bad in Scotland. You said it. In fact my brother does extraordinarily well in Scotland, and has done for over thirty years. It's just that he often gets dismayed that he cannot place as much business in Scotland as he would like to because of uncompetitiveness and general apathy. Lots of his colleagues feel the same. So do let's be grateful that most Scots are sensible enough not to be taken in by the 'yes' campaign, which is long on bluff and short on detail.

In my view, an independent Scotland would definitely be detrimental to the majority of ordinary Scots.

[morayloon]

I read several newspapers every day, including The Daily Mail

I think mainly the Mail

I do indeed. It's called 'personal experience' of many years standing. And if you had the same kind of experience you would not describe my comments as 'outlandish'. They are seriously realistic

So, you have no real evidence.

Well, not really. I hear lots of similar stories which, added to my time-honoured personal experience of the same sorts of things

Exactly, you hear stories, take them as fact and use them to generalise on Scotland - quite wrongly as it turns out.

It all boils down to money, enough of which in Scotland there is not, and never will be, for the reasons I have already given

I have already given you the figures which show a very different situation to the one you are trying to portray.

In fact my brother does extraordinarily well in Scotland, and has done for over thirty years.

Good for him.

and general apathy

Apathy? More likely the recession.

Lots of his colleagues feel the same

Your brother's experiences or that of his colleagues are not evidence, it is hearsay. Commission an opinion poll and get some hard evidence!

So do let's be grateful that most Scots are sensible enough not to be taken in by the 'yes' campaign, which is long on bluff and short on detail

Yes, most Scots would vote No at present. But, there are two years of campaigning before us. Two years to firm up the policies and present them to the Scottish people. Why do you think the referendum is bluff? Here's two relevant facts as to how things can quite easily turn around:
1 In 2011, the SNP came from 15% behind Labour to win the election handsomely.
2 In 1995, the Yes campaign in Quebec started from a worse position than the Scottish one is in at present. It eventually came very close to victory, losing by only 1.16%.
There is still everything to play for.

In my view, an independent Scotland would definitely be detrimental to the majority of ordinary Scots.

And you are entitled to your opinion. But, please make it an informed one by taking in the facts and not relying on the Daily Mail and your brother for your info.

[teddy4paws]

Apathy? More likely the recession.

We haven't always had a recession. But the apathy has always been around and has got increasingly worse since (most likely) 1967.

In 2011, the SNP came from 15% behind Labour to win the election handsomely.

And that was great. Labour (or rather New Labour) needed teaching a serious lesson. It was most encouraging to see so many 'safe' Labour seats falling to the SNP. Long may that continue. But I think that independence is a stage too far. Alex & Co. should just content themselves, and we'll all be fine.

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But I think that independence is a stage too far. Alex & Co. should just content themselves, and we'll all be fine.

Your opinion is not relevant if you do not reside in Scotland.

Independence will be decided by the Scots, not "Alex & Co".

Coe is one of YOUR problems if you are of a unionist leaning. YOU can't SEE that though, you are blinkered.

[CB100]

As an Englishman, I really hope the Scots vote to leave the UK but I bet they bottle out.

Your opinion is not relevant if you do not reside in Scotland.

Independence will be decided by the Scots, not "Alex & Co".

Coe is one of YOUR problems if you are of a unionist leaning. YOU can't SEE that though, you are blinkered.

[Hartlepool]

Salmond has already dropped the greedy scots in the shiit. Independence will be denied in the upcoming Referendum vote. Just wait, and see.

[shagpile]

Salmond has already dropped the greedy scots in the shiit. Independence will be denied in the upcoming Referendum vote.

How so mate?

[morayloon]

Salmond has already dropped the greedy scots in the shiit.

Independence will be denied in the upcoming Referendum vote. Just wait, and see

You're entitled to your opinion. However there are two years before the referendum is held, plenty time to win over all those undecideds